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/christian/ Meta thread Anonymous 07/25/2020 (Sat) 09:38:59 No.144 [Reply] [Last]
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Anonymous 09/03/2021 (Fri) 12:34:50 No.1358 [Reply] [Last]
Why has the Church chosen to follow the world by supporting age of consent and anti-pedophilia? Biblically no distinction is made between children and adults for the purpose of sexuality, so why do even churches who follow the bible on other things like homosexuality go with the flow on this?
Do not advocate or assist real paedophilia or child abuse
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>>1531 Glad we're on the same page
>>1533 There are principals against pedophilia in the bible. It's lust for children. >muh it's not in the bible So what, masturbation isn't in the bible and it's still a sin.
>>1488 >No.1488
>>1535 >There are principals against pedophilia in the bible. It's lust for children. Again this argument only works if you're going to apply it to normal sexuality too, you may as well say marrying a beautiful woman is "lust" >So what, masturbation isn't in the bible and it's still a sin Again I would hope you could do better than this if you were challenged about homosexuality, and this argument speaks volumes about what the bible actually says about this, as well as about how sinful pedophilia would be were this to be a valid argument (specifically society would be wildly overreacting). You're wrong about masturbation not being in the bible, too.
Do not advocate or assist real paedophilia or child abuse
>>1535 I want to help you understand exactly how bad this argument is. Firstly, it is a concession of the initial point that scripture never once in all the dozens upon dozens of books and tens of thousands upon tens of thousands of words ever condemns pedophilia, if you are going to take that major step why not take the extra one and concede the whole matter? Next your argument would not make what is popularly called "child molestation" a sin, only pedophilia itself, so as long as they fulfill the breadth of biblical requirements for a sexual relationship it would not be sinful for an adult and a child to be together unless the adult was attracted to children, which is ludicrous. Your argument is that sexual attraction is necessarily sinful, and that acting on said attraction is necessarily sinful, but attraction acts as the natural spur for marriage and is the basis for nearly all marriages down through the centuries. How many times does scripture describe marriage as containing man's passions? What did you think that meant? The actions proceeding from sexual attraction are only sinful if they deviate from God's provided solution to the problem, which is marriage and sex with one's wife. The age of consent makes this solution inaccessible to the pedophile, encouraging sin. Now perhaps you will reply that child marriage is wicked, sinful or invalid and that therefore such a solution for the pedophile is unacceptable (such as with sodomy), but you have already severed such a path from yourself by conceding the initial point that the bible never condemns pedophilia.
Do not advocate or assist real paedophilia or child abuse

Anonymous 06/06/2021 (Sun) 21:00:31 No.1019 [Reply]
Is the vaccine the mark of the beast or not? I have seen a lot of good evidence that it is indeed the mark, but the vaccine is still not required everywhere, there is still no version (of the vaccine/passport) that makes a mark on the hand or forehead, and the antichrist still has not been revealed. So is it the mark or not? This question has been tearing me up. I am having a hard time just living my life these days. I have been under a lot of spiritual attack, and even found myself moving away from the faith for the first time since becoming a Christian. Can anyone help with this pressing topic?
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>>1461 Here, take this: >14 And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand: 15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. 16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear. >17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. 18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; 19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? 20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. Mark 7.
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>>1390 1) Christ clarifies in the following sentence that it is sowing with intent after the desires of the flesh that reaps corruption. God doesn't condemn those that act in good faith; in addition, it earns corruption, not damnation. All same such corruption is atoned for in the crucifixion (He knoweth all things), from which sinners can be restored through repentance and prayer. 2) The condemnation of Israel's insolence in turning away from God before the arrival of Christ is not a blanket condemnation that applies to Christians under the new covenant. God made the old covenant with the Jews, their role in violation was as witness to what not to do in matters of faith and religion. 3) The power of Christ's grace is supreme. When He says that all can be saved, He means ALL can be saved. He has the power to drag men out of the worst of vice to bring them into His Kingdom, so long as they express perfect contrition in their faith towards Him. Paul exposits that Christians are not to take after Pharisees in placing yokes on one another, not even regarding the basic and critical Jewish ritual of circumcision. The suffering that Christians bear is not in some Pelagian scheme of who can be the most perfect - that is all in vanity because there is no perfect man but Christ. He suffered to free the world from the tyranny of the law, to be the advocate at the right-hand of the Father that preserves those that wholly confide in Him for their deliverance from the wrath they justly deserve. Salvation doesn't mean Christians never sin; it's the awareness of the weight of one's sins that Christ bears for them, that only He can bear because He has supreme capacity as the God-Man, that He has conquered and will conquer for all the price of death. Christians are like Simon, who helped Christ bear the cross, but only for a brief respite. That which we can bear we bear with boldness, but to His efforts ours will always fail to match or outdo. Our Lord took it on Himself to bear the totality of human evil through death, and in Resurrection brought before the world the sign of His ultimate victory for all.
the vaccine isn't the mark of the beast. repeat after me. Vaccines are safe and effective. Vaccines are safe and effective. Vaccines are safe and effective. Do not question the mainstream narrative.
the vaccine isn't the mark of the beast. repeat after me. Vaccines are safe and effective. Vaccines are safe and effective. Vaccines are safe and effective. Do not question the mainstream narrative.
>>1507 >all can be saved >all are saved false equivalence. the bible teaches judgement, discernment and exclusion.

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Having Children Anonymous 06/07/2021 (Mon) 16:58:49 No.1029 [Reply]
There is no practical difference between a white homosexual atheist marxist and white, supposedly right-wing "white-nationalist" imageboard browser, if they both end up not having children. In fact, the biggest damage done to Europeans spiritually and culturally is the decline in having large families and lots of children. Let's put aside the differences between Catholics, protties, and orthodox for now and discuss why people aren't having children, and how to change it. Also, how to change your mentality from the "life should be about fun" mindset to a more traditional mindset of raising and providing and creating something genuinely meaningful. Personally I think the loss a connection to god and the sense of something to work towards and to create for the future, for your children and not just for your momentary pleasures, is a big reason why people just don't have children. Even so-callled "right"-wing people on the internet will claim to be anti-natalist or to not want kids for one reason or another. Nothing could possibly be more damaging to faith and to the souls of people on earth than to not have children and pass down your beliefs.
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>>1494 To clarify, I don't deny that social issues like nepotistic foreign elites, feminism, mass immigration or LGBT propaganda aren't a reality. Or that they somehow don't contribute to the destruction of the social fabric. But they're a consequence of industrialization, capitalism, and technological developments. There would be no sexual liberation without mass contraceptive use. There would be no feminism if the tertiary sector wasn't this developed. Global elites would find it much harder to organize without mass transit and modern communication. This isn't to sound like an ecofash. But technology does give man power, for good or bad. For the most part, man chooses bad. I'd like to think that eventually he changes his mind and chooses good. But maybe things will keep getting worse until judgement day.
>>1029 >implying that any woman would ever fuck you LOLing @ u
We have to remember the deeper truth, which we learn through believing the word of God, the Holy Bible. Our Lord and Savior showed us that the things the world seeks will fade away and die. We are taught to seek after the kingdom of God first, and the rest that we have need of will be added to us. God knows who believes in Him. Everyone dies. As Hebrews says, "it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment." And no amount of population rate increase or decrease will change that reality of our impending death. Politics is just a pipe dream, a distraction from the real pressing issues. First of all, this is to get right with our Creator, God, by believing on His only begotten Son, who was sent into the world to take away our sins, which is the thing that we really need. Remember what the Bible says in Colossians, when it says, "If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory." This means that the entire narrative that the world teaches, specifically the eugenic theory, that gene survival is the basis/end of all action is false. It's ingrained in everything of this world. This is the underlying narrative that our world believes in this age. It will be rebuked by our Lord in the coming age. This is currently the night before the dawn. Those who are asleep in Christ will rise again, just as Jesus Himself is arisen today. All those who deny Him will be sent in shame at that day to their final end. With that in mind, I am concerned primarily with gaining souls to the cause of Christ. Each eternal life, which is put here with a purpose, is of so much more importance than what happens to us in the brief life we live here, which passes by in so short a time. We will be glad we spent time glorifying God if we did before He came, and that we believed His word (thanks to His grace) even during these doubting times. It's true that the relative decline in behavior we see around us is due in part to the circumstances of the age, and also due to the malign influences of those who hate us. But that's the way the world has been, there is nothing truly new under the sun. There was never a golden age, that's a myth... and I think you know it. What we should focus on is serving the Lord in whatever role we were given. For those of us that are saved and born again believers, if that means sacrificing things of this world to gain a greater reward, based on our faith in God's justice, we shouldn't complain about it but be thankful when opportunities come. And yes, it may or may not involve having children. It just depends on what God has in store specifically for you.
>>1494 I love how this retard doesnt even mention neglectful and abusive parents being a good many cases of both lowering birthrates and those schizos preaching gospel on the internet as a way to cope with their trauma. God literally says multiple times in the bible “I will help you if you have faith and get off your ass and do something” I am paraphrasing. he is not this omnipotent bitchslapping smite hand that a lot of “christians” make them out to be. Self defense is not a sin like a lot of “christians” spout off because they also participate in such bullshit against their own. The same ones who only go to church on sunday and are not true christians like the lord warns of because they do not ever practice the lipservice that they preach. One look over on youtube and other sites proves that. A lot of christians also fall for the “ive got mine now fuck off i dont want to build a community with you and its EZPZ fo get yours too” just world fallacy while never preparing their kids for anything and spouting off bullshit like “honor thy mother and father” while they smear your name to everyone who will hear and even convince and congratulate their kids SO they met in college for cheating on and leaving them over the fucking phone and going “Sex bad mmkay?” While they preach feminist “U gobgurl!” Bullshit while the GC sluts around hell and creation. Meanwhile heathens and foreign invaders multiply like rats and arent told that bullshit puritan agenda and are even venerated for having 50 bastard kids as they were “oppressed” after they chinped out and tried to attack someone like a wild animal.
>>1529 >I will help you if you have faith and get off your ass and do something Genetics come from god. He is omnipotent, when he says "I will help you" it doesn't mean you will get supernatural aid, not unless you're a pious saint, and you're not. The neglectful and abusive parents you mention are a minority. So are all the rotten people you list. The majority of Christians are good. Regardless of denomination or practice. I'd say liberals are the exception but they're not really Christian and would find more in common with a liberal Jew or liberal atheist than a Christian. The majority of Christians are good, well-balanced people. The majority of any church is made up of good, honest people. Go to church, and stop using religion to justify being a loser. I didn't read the previous post because you're a gnostic. God is all powerful, God is all loving, God is all knowing. And Christ is God. The dualism you're promoting is illogical, so is monism.

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I am fading away Iamadude 09/17/2021 (Fri) 01:46:20 No.1515 [Reply]
I have backslidden and my life is a mess, there are things happening to me that I didn't even knew were possible, please help me get back to God.
Read your Bible.
I will pray for you
>>1515 I am going to have to feed you the Jordan Peterson line here anon. I don't know the nature of your "backsliding" (booze? snacks and soft drinks? excessive vidya? doomscrolling on Twitter? sleeping two thirds of the day away?) but what you need to do is reconnect with reality and this is best done by doing ordinary things in the ordinary world. Clean/tidy your room/apartment. Make a proper meal and not some prefab crap. Go get some exercise, ideally outdoors. Reading the Holy Book while your mind is slipping is a dangerous proposition. It might just as well induce psychosis as it might impart wisdom. Center yourself first, then read the Bible.
>>1528 Not OP but thank you. I needed this too.

Faith in Translation Anonymous 09/16/2021 (Thu) 16:17:57 No.1505 [Reply]
Acts 12:4, KJV >And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people. Acts 12:4, NIV >After arresting him, he put him in prison, handing him over to be guarded by four squads of four soldiers each. Herod intended to bring him out for public trial after the Passover. Literary definition of πάσχα (pascha): >Noun - Accusative Neuter Singular >Strong's 3957: The feast of Passover, the Passover lamb. Of Chaldee origin; the Passover Practical usage of πάσχα in Greek: >Πάσχα • (Páscha) n (indeclinable) >(Primary) 1. (religion, Christianity) Easter >Καλό Πάσχα! ― Kaló Páscha! ― Happy Easter! >(Secondary) 2. (religion, Judaism) Passover The English term "Passover" was first known to be recorded in the English language in William Tyndale's translation of the Bible.

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>>1505 This is one of those cases where if we let the Bible define its terms for us, we have no problem. If we attempt to impose our own definitions on words, like we want it to mean this or that, we start to have problems. The word literally means what it means in the context of where it's given. If I say a word from the KJV, any word at all, I mean it in the way that it's used there. Hopefully that helps. I should take a moment to note that our modern language and the original dictionaries of the English language were written on the basis that this, the King James version specifically, was the "accepted" translation. It was also the only one used until something like 1880 (the first Revised Version) at the earliest. What that basically means is that, for English, you always get the accurate translation of words just by referring back to it. It also means that you know you are referring to the same things that the Bible does in English by using its words. It's only when you start getting away from that, like the modern versions do, that you begin to get into trouble. I would also say that any of the earlier versions that led up to the KJV, like the Geneva 1560 or Tyndale 1534 translation, are going to be fine 99% of the time. These earlier translations had less time and resources dedicated to making them perfectly reflect the received text as we know it, but they were made toward the same end. The main item of importance is that the translations were based on, and should reflect, the received Greek New Testament and the original Hebrew and Syriac Old Testament, that way you get the original books of the Bible as they were in the first century. By comparing the amount of research, energy and resources poured into each translation project leading up to the KJV, we see that nothing before 1611 compares to the minute attention to detail of every word, tense and sentence structure that the KJV translation does. This extra attention to detail has paid tremendous benefits in the long term to the English world. And until people started moving away from the Authorized version in the 20th century, we had the best understanding of the Bible because of it that it was possible to have. This is due to the overall accuracy of the 1611 translation to the received and preserved text that represents the written word of God. You will also notice that a great moral decline is tied to the introduction of modern versions, especially moving into the mid to late 20th century. This is because people were moving away from the Bible that was accurate and trustworthy and heaping up to themselves teachers with itching ears, as it says in 2 Timothy 4: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." These "fables" would be the modern versions, which contain thousands of deletions from passages throughout the Bible, including entire verses, especially in the New Testament. The Bible represents the one unchanging truth. It can't be changed, people. But as soon as people starting switching over to them, they started noticing all the errors and contradictions in those modern versions, and it led to a great falling away. They gradually lost interest in the Bible after finding all of the errors and inconsistencies in the modern versions. This was probably part of the great deceiver's plan all along. Going all the way back to the beginning, Satan has always tried to cause people to doubt whether God really said things, or whether it was actually something else. But Christ assures us this is not possible. Hence He says in the Gospel of Matthew, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." And Peter says this about Scripture, "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

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>>1505 Passover, obviously. Translation as Easter is anachronistic and does not fit the context. Neither Herod nor any of the Jews would have been celebrating Easter. >>1520 >I should take a moment to note that our modern language and the original dictionaries of the English language were written on the basis that this, the King James version specifically, was the "accepted" translation. It was also the only one used until something like 1880 (the first Revised Version) at the earliest. What that basically means is that, for English, you always get the accurate translation of words just by referring back to it This is just nonsense, basically reflects complete historical and linguistic illiteracy. You should not go making knowledgeable claims about things you do not understand, brother.
>>1521 >You should not go making knowledgeable claims about things you do not understand, brother. If my claims are knowledgeable, why are they things I don't understand? That doesn't make any sense.

Roman empire Anonymous 09/17/2021 (Fri) 01:27:21 No.1510 [Reply]
Can anyone debunk the the theory that Revelation was about events happening contemporaneous to its writing, like revelation being about the Roman empire?
>>1510 Yes, it is about the roman empire we are currently living in.
>>1516 Sorry i'm confused, What about the one world government predicted in the future, or is that Rome? Do you have an article that explains this? Most of the articles that i found that talks about this says that it was about the Roman empire of biblical times.
>>1518 You should read more scripture than articles

Lust problem. Anonymous 09/09/2021 (Thu) 06:49:46 No.1423 [Reply]
I have a problem with lust and pornography. I've tried to quit many times, i've even deleted my porn collections many times over, but it's so accessible and all around me. I've prayed to God to help me with this problem, but i feel that prayers doesn't really help. I don't feel like i can stop, and asking for help would just give me more problems and it's embarrassing. I've stopped for a good while before, but i always come back. People have gotten angry at me for staring at women too much. Has anyone been able to leave their pron addiction?
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>>1439 I don't know, I'm christian and castration and chastity is a bad option,there are some references in the bible that says you shouldn't or that isn't a good idea to do it ,but I don't know just saying opinion. Also here OP it worked for me >https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/site-blocker/offfjidagceabmodhpcngpemnnlojnhn It works on Brave.
I was able to leave the porn addiction. I did that by praying the Rosary frequently.
>>1456 This seams more lightweight than a browser addon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPfpCVW7ZvM
>>1423 Get a wife.
>>1439 Matthew 19:12 Matthew 18:8–9

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Anonymous 06/17/2021 (Thu) 19:01:47 No.1080 [Reply]
Will the Jews ever accept the Christ, their King?
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>>1476 Where is the lie?
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>>1477 I think the difference lies not so much in the fact that there are some upper class people. That isn't the real issue. But it is in that those people are non-christians who sneer down at us for believing in God, and who use their positions of influence to create media that intentionally takes the Lord's name in vain, and so forth. Also, teaching people things that go against the faith of Christ as taught in the Bible, teaching promiscuity and so forth. Modern comedian material is incredibly filthy, and again it's entirely thanks to these people. Just look at the people writing/producing the content for these shows. Look at who runs Hollywood. Look at who runs the porn industry. Those kinds of things are really the problem. The fact they have used their nepotism, and willingness to break their word when it comes to those who they call "goyim," to essentially swindle the rest through their dishonor and dishonesty, and have also created a fake history that they try to teach people where they are supposedly the oppressed, which is just sickeningly fake and false but they try to cram it down people's throats... all of this is just one aspect of it.
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>>1483 My point isn't that there aren't Jews in the elite, but that they aren't the only group in the elite working against humanity. >I think the difference lies not so much in the fact that there are some upper class people. That isn't the real issue. But it is in that those people are non-christians who sneer down at us for believing in God, and who use their positions of influence to create media that intentionally takes the Lord's name in vain, and so forth. There are also non-jewish people and groups using their influence to go against God. A few examples would be Hugh Hefner, Walt Disney and Aleister Crowley. I don't know what a solution would be because the elite would always work with satan, but getting rid of the Jews would just leave powerful goyim elite to go against God.
I don't get the third column of "reform". Identifying yourself as Jewish makes you less jew?
>>1487 It's two parts: if the child is an ethnic Jew and identifies as Jewish despite believing in Jesus as Messiah, under the rules of Reform Judaism they are still considered Jewish. If they don't identify as Jewish despite being an ethnic Jew then they aren't considered as Jewish. It should be ELSE not Jewish.

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Does prayer work? Anonymous 09/12/2021 (Sun) 06:59:10 No.1480 [Reply]
I don't suppose there is any proof that prayers works, like prove that God does answer prayer? I guess that's kind of unprovable. If only there was a study done about how many people actually receive answers to their prayers. Here is some scientific proof that prayer promotes good health and longer life. https://www.newsmax.com/health/headline/prayer-health-faith-medicine/2015/03/31/id/635623/
For me it helps me with my worries and make me reflect.
>>1480 Usually when my grandma and I pray about something together it works. I haven't counted the number of times, but I don't know a single time when it hasn't worked. Of course we don't pray for a million dollars or anything, but we always make it through whatever hardship we prayed about. That's enough proof for me.
And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him. 1 John 5:14-15
>>1480 Prayer accrues heavenly treasure that devalues the perishable rewards of the world in contrast.

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