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All-Purpose Dharmic Philsophy Thread Blackshirt 05/30/2020 (Sat) 15:17:03 ID: 2205aa No.458
About time we had one. I'll begin with an interesting tweet thread going over how proper Buddhism has nothing in it that encourages social justice: https://twitter.com/gesarofbling/status/1070566104089583618
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Interesting Twitter thread. Everyone should check out this article on the infiltration of Jews into Buddhism. It's long but worth reading in my opinion. https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2020/02/29/jewish-crypsis-in-american-buddhism/
>>458 Buddhism is Nastika, non-Aryan. If you claim that, though Nastika it isn't Dravidian because Gautama was probably Aryan, then you must also accept Mazdayasna as Dharmic.
>>472 Is everything Nastika necessarily non-Aryan though? At least as I understand it, those who reject the Vedas are Nastika / heterodox philosophies, outside of the umbrella of Sanatana Dharma, We can easily label all of Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism as Dharmic due to the many commonalities they have, but Zoroastrianism has stepped much further outside of this fold with a vectorial conception of time from a beginning to a Judgement Day, the Saoshyant, dualistic ideas, etc
>>473 >>473 Dualism and Qualified Non-Dualism also exist, see Madhvacharya and Ramanuja respectively. Vedas themselves are generally dualistic. Dualist is a stupid word for it though, it's really Pluralistic as opposed to Monistic. Ahuras Mazda is only one Ahuras, as well as Amesha Spentas and Yazatas and Fravashis and so on. Madhvacharya noted that the following five differences are eternal facts: >Jiva (individual soul) and Ishwara (God) are different. >Ishwara and Jada (inanimate things) are different. >Jiva and Jada are different. >Jiva and another Jiva are different. >Jada and another Jada are different.
>>473 How is Saoshyant different from Kalki practically? How is Kali Yug and Dance of Shiva different from the End Day? Only in scope, if anything at least in Mazdayasna there's a final solution to Druj. There's no hinduistic leaving the material world, but a cleansing and perfection of it. We all stay ourselves but in Immortal Perfection, Embodied in a purified Universe. If anything, it's much more true to the Aryan ideal than life-negating Vedanta and Buddhism.
>>473 It actually bothers me how much of what people know of Mazdayasna is not from primary materials like the Gathas and is actually just Manichaean stuff that has nothing to do with Zarathustra. Especially taking shit from fucking life-denying Gnostics
>>477 >Especially taking shit from fucking life-denying Gnostics Is Gnosticism necessarily life-denying though? Isn't the physical world also the gateway to the Supreme God? (I'm trying to imply that isn't the physical world necessary for attaining satori gnosis)
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>>607 No, the physical is a prison to be escaped in gnosticism.
>>607 Zoroastrianism is actually unique compared to Gnosticism, Vedanta, Manichaeism, because the physical world is essentially good and is corrupted at present by Druj, the Lie. The point is to live a pure life and on the day be restored to your essential purity, in an immortal physical body.
Buddhism is essentially Aryan and based on dharma. as I said in an earlier thread on Julay, the Chinese Communists consider Buddhist Tibet to be feudal and bourgeois, which to me is an excellent endorsement. Zoroastrianism is not bad in and of itself, but it's the first link on the Abrahamic chain, and had much influence on Judaism/Christianity/Islam. >>642 Gnostics believe that the physical universe around us was created by the Demiurge, a being who ranges from amoral to evil. he is not God, but believes he is, because he's cut off from the spiritual world while still being a derivative of it. our souls are from the spiritual plane, but are ensnared within the material plane, which is the central conflict of human existence. the Gnostics rely on esoteric knowledge and insight to attain liberation and ascension. Manichaeism regards our universe to be a mixture of light and darkness, as a result of primordial battles between these two forces. while there are similarities, this should not be confused with Gnosticism, as the belief systems are quite distinct. ultimately, Gnosticism has roots in Neo-Platonic philosophy and Christianity. it was Plato who first posited the demiurge, a being derived from a higher power who fashioned the physical universe. however, he sees this entity as benevolent, and as a rational explanation for existence, without the spiritual conflict. Manichaeism seems to be a pastiche of religion as it existed in Late Antiquity. you have the material/spiritual clash of Gnosticism, the duality of Zoroastrianism, the Judeo-Christian Messiah, and the structure of hearers/elects is very similar to Buddhist monasticism. there are probably other influences woven in as well.
pardon the plebbit spacing, I wanted to separate each topic. other times I've deleted and edited, but not with that post number.
In contrast to this Zoroastrian / Manichean-type dualisms, I think the Aztec conception of a sort of “polar monism” is the most in accordance with reality. Things such as order and disorder, life and death, light and dark are not mutually exclusive forces but mutually interdependent and mutually complementary polarities. It’s an interesting contrast from a more common type of oppositional dualism, but we instead have a sort of cyclical and endless tug-of-war. Heraclitus hints at a similar belief, I think, when he says praises war and strife (and it must be remembered that he emphasized flux as well just like the Aztecs)
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https://youtu.be/AQKe_xdjZA0?t=396 >this is something that actually happened what did he mean by this?
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this video is from 3 weeks ago. has he abandoned the dot? why is he wearing a thors hammer now?
Should we be concerned about this? could jews have edited ancient dharmic texts or meddled with the development of their religions? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_India also these two pictures are supposed to be synagogues, they look like christian cathedrals from europe. is this just evidence of tartaria in india?
>>867 >directly downplays the Holohoax by saying it is nothing in comparison to the Islamic genocides on Hindus and Buddhists OY VEY >>869 He said in another video a while ago (I think it was one of his Discord interviews) that he often wears a Thor's hammer. In that particular video he is doing an interview with some Asatru group in England so it makes sense he'd underline the connection he sees between Hinduism and the European religions.
>>885 downplaying the holohoax on tv is a big balls move, but i think he went even further than just downplaying it. i know he mentioned in a video that when he goes to the gym he wears the thors hammer, but this is a big deal the way he is dressed now. before he wore the tilak, the yellow lines, with the red dot, now he has abandoned it. and hes wearing the dharmic rudraksha, the dharmic shirt, but with a european pagan symbol, thors hammer. he might be trying a new fusion never before seen
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>>896 >but i think he went even further than just downplaying it. No, you're right, he outright trivialized it. I'm surprised that they didn't pull the plug right there kek. >but this is a big deal the way he is dressed now. before he wore the tilak, the yellow lines, with the red dot, now he has abandoned it. and hes wearing the dharmic rudraksha, the dharmic shirt, but with a european pagan symbol, thors hammer. he might be trying a new fusion never before seen I think it's too soon say whether he's fully abandoning the tilak, as there are videos from less than six months ago in which he wears it. Still, this is the first time where he's even worn it openly, and I think that this is significant and is something to watch. I am particularly interested in these "Thor mantras" that he has apparently discovered. I do hope that he reveals them.
>>928 if they originate from his mind then hes breaking his own rule and going into new age territory. however if he really is an acarya, which is like a super guru, then inventing shit is within his license if i understand the system of vedic authority and lineage. I think whats more likely though is that they're mantras to indra and hes going to rebrand them as thor.
>>954 Assuming he is an acarya – and I don’t really dispute this since he does seem very knowledgable and has a visible history even beyond this Youtube channel – you’re right that he hypothetically could be at a level where he is capable of doing these things. >I think whats more likely though is that they're mantras to indra and hes going to rebrand them as thor. This wouldn’t be very surprising. I doubt he’d just completely repurpose them though, but who knows. I guess we’ll see. I hope he does more on European religions though, it’s interesting to hear about.
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just incase anyone didnt already know, an important fact behind the tagline of this very board, kali yuga does not mean kaali the goddess, it means the kali the nigger. the difference between the long a and the short a can radically change the meaning of words in sanskrit. kaali the goddess has a long a and is pronounced as it looks whereas kali the nigger is actually pronounced more like kuh-li. the short a in sanskrit is more like an "uh" like the u in "but" https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/1/17/ >Text 1: Sūta Gosvāmī said: After reaching that place, Mahārāja Parīkṣit observed that a lower-caste śūdra, dressed like a king, was beating a cow and a bull with a club, as if they had no owner. >Text 18: O greatest among human beings, it is very difficult to ascertain the particular miscreant who has caused our sufferings, because we are bewildered by all the different opinions of theoretical philosophers. Text 19: Some of the philosophers, who deny all sorts of duality, declare that one’s own self is responsible for his personal happiness and distress. Others say that superhuman powers are responsible, while yet others say that activity is responsible, and the gross materialists maintain that nature is the ultimate cause. >Text 29: When the personality of Kali understood that the King was willing to kill him, he at once abandoned the dress of a king and, under pressure of fear, completely surrendered to him, bowing his head. >Text 32: If the personality of Kali, irreligion, is allowed to act as a man-god or an executive head, certainly irreligious principles like greed, falsehood, robbery, incivility, treachery, misfortune, cheating, quarrel and vanity will abound. >Text 38: Sūta Gosvāmī said: Mahārāja Parīkṣit, thus being petitioned by the personality of Kali, gave him permission to reside in places where gambling, drinking, prostitution and animal slaughter were performed. Text 39: The personality of Kali asked for something more, and because of his begging, the King gave him permission to live where there is gold because wherever there is gold there is also falsity, intoxication, lust, envy and enmity.
>>955 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeRWSMJLBgU i feel like this could be turned into a rap song and blared from some negros car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzFBZmciMUs more traditional version.
>>695 Having read that book I suggest you continue. Taoism is Polar Monism, but Teotl is like Fractal Monism.
>>973 I actually haven't read the book yet beyond some preliminary skimming of a few sections. It's on the way in the mail though. I took the term "Polar Monism" from the section titled "Dialectical Polar Monism" here. You've read the book though in whole I assume so I'll take your word on it for now. From what I've read it seems like a great book though. https://www.iep.utm.edu/aztec/
What book?
>>928 I wonder if it's acceptable to throat sing the mantras, would they be in a reconstructed Germanic or Proto-Indo European?
>>1004 Pic and pdf related. The link here >>1001 is a decent quick rundown.
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>>2000 SUPERPOWER BY 2020 BASED AND DESIGNATED GET
>>2002 they have 5 and a half months left to do it, dont make any assumptions yet.
>>2003 And a border feud to let them prove it. Should be interesting.
>>2004 >>2003 Akhand Bharat will rise, just wait. Both China and Pakistan will be BTFO
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>>2027 Since when was Tibet part of greater India?
>>2051 >>2027 B I G G E R
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>>2051 The only thing that makes sense would be if it was included for cultural reasons. Because this map >>2053, as funny as it is, makes sense if you think about it that way, for example I know Java and around there used to have Hindu kingdoms. Speaking of Indonesia, people should look into "Agama Hindu Dharma", a version of Hinduism shaped in the image of Islam that people practice in Bali
>>2054 > a version of Hinduism shaped in the image of Islam Sikhism did it better
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Can't decided between Hare Krishna and Theravada Buddhism
>>3327 What is the primary area where you see yourself as unable to decide?
>>6528 That was pretty interesting, and very relevant for this board, because I've seen many people complaining before about various things in the Puranas, a major example of this being the story where Indra was sperging out and started attacking some villagers with thunderstorms and rains because they had refrained from sacrifice. Krishna then of course lifts up Govardhan hill for several days before Indra has no choice but to acknowledge the superiority of Krishna. Many have attacked this story for apparently denigrating Indra. I personally never found it necessarily subversive, but I am glad that this person has taken the time to write an article on this subject.
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>>7509 It would depend on how one interpreted Krishna's blueness. As you probably know, many of the other avatars are depicted with blue skin as well, such as Rama, not to mention various other gods. Personally I've always understood it more in line with an explanation such as this: > Blue is the color of the infinite. All Hindu gods are an attempt by the human mind to give form to the formless Brahman (God). The color blue symbolizes immeasurable and all pervading reality – formless Brahman. > Swami Chinmayananda talking on the subject says that whatever is immeasurable can appear to the mortal eye only as blue; thus the cloudless summer sky is blue to us because the endless distance of space is interpreted by the physical eye as blue in color. https://www.hindu-blog.com/2009/06/hindu-gods-and-blue-color-why-hindu.html Krishna does mean "black" or "dark blue" though, but whether that's meant in a racial sense is unclear to me.
>>7516 hes described as black and blue in scripture, but more so black in scripture and depicted as blue in art. all of the oldest deities of krishna are jet black, and probably the older ones as well. the color of vishnu is described as shyamala (probably spelled that wrong) which means dark black. he is described as being black like a dark rain cloud, so its like a grayish blueish black, not a brown black like niggers. getting that out of the way, krishna the black one and radha having a complexion of molten gold, these gods dont appear in the vedas, in the upanishads, they appear in the puranas. the concern i have is that this fits a narrative that a new god was created that supported the changing racial makeup of later india, supporting racial miscegenation. its no secret that jews have been active (and sometimes expelled) in india, could they have engineered indias racial downfall with things like this? the old major god of the vedas was clearly indra who has a similarity with european gods like zeus or thor. part of the krishna (the dark one) legend is in humilitating indra in the story of goverdhan hill. infact the puranic myths almost always portray indra in a poor light who is humiliated when he goes against vishnu (a god with dark skin) or who wins his battles by appealing to vishnu. lets not leave out the incident with the demon bali, where by vishnus blessing towards bali and his curse towards indra, bali and the demons conquer the three worlds and indra is ousted from heaven. isnt there a story where indra is turned into a hog as well? this issue has not been brought up and explored before and it needs to be.
>>7520 I think India and racial miscegenation was inevitable in India since the Indo-european invasion. I think that the Aryans within India were becoming less Aryan and Aryan before the Jews even began to come to India.
>>7520 What do modern day indians (dravidians) think of indra? Are all indians cursed because they worship a religion not meant for them?
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>>7554 As far as I understand it, Indra is not really prominent at all today. Even looking up "Indra temple" gives results of people asking why Indra is not worshiped. As you likely know, he was denigrated in the Srimad Bhagavatam by Krishna, and is often depicted as hedonistic. Interestingly, Indra is still worshiped among the Kalash people of Pakistan- who are the most phenotypically Aryan of anyone in the area - where he is known as Indr. I really have to do more research into their religion.
>>7606 >Interestingly, Indra is still worshiped among the Kalash people of Pakistan- who are the most phenotypically Aryan of anyone in the area Good research. This supports the theory that indra worship faded out and krishna worship became popular due to the changing racial makeup of india from aryan to dravidian. Indra is equivalent to other european gods like zeus and thor, a king of heaven who throws lightning bolts and battles a serpent whereas krishna or vishnu doesnt have any equivalent european deity, meaning its a dravidian god and not an aryan one. In support of krishna being an aryan god, we do know what clan he was born from and the region of india that clan was from which i think should be northwest india. Ive also read a theory that clan was an unorthodox kshatriya clan that practiced cousin marriages which could have lead to the genetic conditions for krishna having the dark blue skin.
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>>7610 The excerpt comes from the link at the end of my post. There is some interesting info around them, but sadly not much given that they are a small and isolated group. On JSTOR I found a few mentions of the Kalash and Indr / Indra, but nothing really more than the fact that they worship him. The paper I link later goes on to mention that the Kalash religion is very much associated with the dichotomy of purity versus impurity (common to many pagan religions), and that the Muslim world around them is impure, and the higher in the mountains one goes, the more pure it is. Now Vishnu is at least a god who appears in the Vedas, but Krishna does not anywhere at all to my knowledge http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/KalashaReligion.pdf
>The whole idea is that woman require protection. They are very innocent, weaker sex. They should not be given freedom. No. That is not…, very dangerous. Just like a child cannot be given freedom. It is dangerous. If I give one child freedom, "All right, you cross this road," that means his life is at risk. Similarly women, they are weaker sex. >Artificially don't try to become one with man; that is not possible. That is not possible. Better to remain protected by man. In the childhood a girl is protected by the father; in youth she is protected by the husband; and in the old-age she is protected by the elderly sons. This is the three stages of woman. There is no fourth stage. That is nice. https://vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/710709we-los-angeles/?query=women+sex#bb481594 Prabhupada was right about women. I’d like to learn more about stridharma / the dharma of women though. It seems like the main source is the Laws of Manu, and the Bhagavad Gita I know makes some interesting remarks regarding women early on as well. Does anyone know of anything good? Also, I can’t help but think that the protectors of women throughout her life are very similar to the Islamic wali interestingly
>>7726 Is prabhupada fully Indian or...?
>>7734 Yeah as far as I know he's purely Indian.
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i found this video of dharmanation guy buried deep in his video library, i dont know how this one got under the youtube censorship radar but this shit here is a fucking bombshell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQUaMb1ys_k
>>7952 I wonder how he's around still sometimes. Watch this vid in full
>One man should be sacrificed for the sake of a race (family) >The race for the good of a town >The town for the benefit of the country >And the earth for the sake of the soul >- Mahabharata ch.46 You tell how this shouldn't be the motto.
>>8512 Thank you, ive never seen vedic texts say things like this before. Usually they tell you to abandon all those things.
https://youtu.be/JAEDDy_DTlQ How do you feel about the dharmic tradition of worshipping the spiritual master?
>>8560 What is shown in that video is a little extreme for my sensibilities, especially the part where the guy washes Prabhupada's feet. I have no problem showing great respect to those who deserve it, but I don't know if I could bring myself to do something like that under normal circumstances. Maybe if some literal god manifested before me
Why did Prabhupada associate with a gay pedophilic communist Jew like Allen Ginsberg?
Convenice me why I should become a dharmaist and how should I get started. All these past few weeks you guys have been talking about nothing but Dharma stuff.
>>8720 I'd check out the channel DharmaNation for some good lectures on a lot of different topics. He's not openly /ourguy/ but if you connect the dots it's pretty clear that there is more beneath the surface, see: >>7954 . Regardless, he's worth looking into. Personally I don't currently practice any tradition, but I am more of a Cosmotheist, but I always try to look more and more into paganism and related things. I've also attached a PDF on the nature and role of Dharma in ancient India that I found to be interesting. I think this is the key take-away, personally. I don't know how much you know, so forgive me if I am repeating things that you are aware of already, but basically Dharma or natural law was common to every Aryan society on the planet prior to Christianization. Dharma or natural law is the eternal, universal, axiomatic ordering principle of the comsos of divine origin. This concept is common to all non-Abrahamic traditions which can he counted as truly Traditional. The Aryans of India called it dharma in Sanskrit, dhamma in Pali, tao/dao in Chinese, asha in Avestan Persian, ma’at in Egyptian, it is darna among the Lithuanian Romuva pagans. The Japanese has a concept of Shintō – “The Way of the Gods”. All of these refer to the concept of dharma or the Eternal Natural Way. This is a non-denominational concept which transcends narrow ideas of religion. Dharma can be applied to individuals, groups, races, species or even the cosmic order as such. A person’s dharma refers to his own essence or manner of being. Each has a proper place within hierarchy, organized in a harmonious whole when each is in his or her place. It is easy to see why some have been able to integrate it with National Socialism so well.
>>8658 I think it was moreso allen ginsberg wanted to associate with prabhupada because he was so popular amongst hippies. When prabhupada came to the west to preach he planned to preach to the "high class aristocratic" types, but it was the hippies that became fascinated with him, almost all of his disciples were hippies. He didnt like hippies and was against everything they were for, but they were the only ones who wanted to listen to him and become his disciples. I think it was because of this that allen ginsburg wanted to associate with prabhupada, and prabhupada saw the pragmatic value in getting the support of ginsberg, just like how he associated with the beatles.
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apparently even Brahmins aren't immune to this shit https://unherd.com/2020/09/how-brahmins-lead-the-fight-against-White-privilege/?fbclid=IwAR3EDo1FGS96umfYO-o0K31eVNJDUFfUt5YLG7FuvpewZ5sbU1ZL9cAh3JA I also heard there was a code of conduct they hold that's very similar to the Talmud.
>>8850 >But in 21st-century America we do not talk much about class. We talk about race. When “black and brown” is used as an incantation it is not surprising that many young Indians are attracted to the idea that they, too, are among the wretched of the earth. This is the key paragraph here. Notice how it says that they are "attracted" to the idea that they too are "among the wretched of the Earth". It's pure slave morality. They envy Whites and resent them. They realize that their "caste privilege" from their homeland is worthless, since it's no longer a real caste system, it's just meaningless distinctions ever since they've become some muddled up racially. The real caste system of Nature is race. Jews prey on these emotions and turn other races into golems. It is why the idea of all the races teaming up on Jews will always remain a fiction. The Jew will always cast himself as the redeemer of the wretched and subhuman >>8785 Based Bharata. Maybe Savitri Devi was onto something when she called Brahmanism the National Socialism of the ancient world.
>>8850 This isn't suprising, and completely shits on any retard who thinks that Brahmins today are "da true Aryans". Brahmins have been fucking with Jews for a while now, and acting like them trying to get about White privilege despite both being the most privilege groups in the entire.
>>8859 World*
>>8859 >any retard who thinks that Brahmins today are "da true Aryans". Are there people who truly think this? They are not White at all today. Hilarious.
>>8875 Yes, Mark Brahmin, so called "pan-aryanist" and some hindpoos believe that Brahmins were the first or only true Aryans who exist today.
>>8850 >I also heard there was a code of conduct they hold that's very similar to the Talmud. i always thought this, although they arent bent on collecting wealth and abusing the populace, the brahmins mostly want to be left alone to practice their religion which in whatever form would always center around something other than the current world they are in, but the us and them superiority complex is very much there. >>8851 >Based Bharata. >Brahmanism >>8859 >Brahmins have been fucking with Jews for a while now, and acting like them >believe that Brahmins were the first or only true Aryans who exist today. bharata wasnt a brahmin he was a kshatriya, and the culture/religion is more accurately described as vedic, except in the case of the adi purana its not. adi purana is a Jain scripture, and in the scripture it says that the kshatriyas are the first and foremost the best of all races and that the brahmins were created later and would eventually turn into shitty people. the jain lore and the vedic lore overlap quite a bit and consist of the same characters but due to the philosophical differences of each group the characters are portrayed differently. the vedics call the jains heretics and the jains call the vedic puranas the false puranas, and the jains say that eventually brahmins would conjure up fantastic stories about gods to control the peoples minds. jainism is kshatriya supremacist and vedic is brahmana supremacist. to be fair to the vedics the predictions of brahmanas becoming shitty jewish tier people in the kali yuga are also there as well.
>>8884 >to be fair to the vedics the predictions of brahmanas becoming shitty jewish tier people in the kali yuga are also there as well. The Vedics are always right. Does it say anything about how the golden age will reappear? I'm hoping it's something like the original Aryans (Whites) will come back to the their pre-christian traditions.
>>8875 Some of my people still think that they're Aryans when I just shake my head. I have to keep telling them that the true Aryans died out (or got mixed into extinction) a long time ago and that"we Dravidians are the only ones left. Us Indians seem to have a weird superiority complex to the point where they also think that blacks made Egypt.
>>8851 >pure slave morality. They envy Whites and resent them. They realize that their "caste privilege" from their homeland is worthless, But the thing is even with the caste system, they would still be underprivileged. >It is why the idea of all the races teaming up on Jews will always remain a fiction. As much as I hate you typing that, it's true. Besides, even if the races team up and delete the kikes, it still means fame over for shitskins because natural White superiority. Whitey build new shit while shitskins die out. Eventually Whitey conquer everything. So what did we learn? With jews, shitskins lose. Without jews, shitskins still lose. Really unfair. But hey, that's why they resort to escapism. As much as you hate them for going down a path of normalfaggotry, you can't blame them.
>>8910 game over*
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>>8898 >Does it say anything about how the golden age will reappear? When the Kali Yuga reaches it lowest point Kalki will be born among a brahmana family in Shambhala and will slaughter all of those who dress like kings but who are not. He doesn't come to reform, or teach, or redeem, he just kills. The few remaining good people will be left to repopulate the Earth and thus the Satya Yuga / Golden Age begins again. >>8907 Do most of them think that being "Aryan" is a mere possession of certain qualities, or do they think that they are literally the same Aryans as the past? >>8877 >pan-aryanist Sounds really gay. I hope he soon realizes that our Aryan kin in the East lost their right to that term millennia ago
>>8912 >Some of my people still think that they're Aryans when I just shake my head. I have to keep telling them that the true Aryans died out (or got mixed into extinction) a long time ago and that"we Dravidian are the only ones left. This is the same case for Iranians as well, who also think that Iraniancucks today are still Aryans were the Aryans of Ancient Persia. it seems that no one understands what Aryan truly is or even means and everyone has to we wuz the title to pretend that they're a great people. >Sounds really gay. I hope he soon realizes that our Aryan kin in the East lost their right to that term millennia ago It is really gay, because they believe that Indians, Persians, etc are all qualified for being Aryan and worthy of upholding a title no matter the race. I think most Christian believe in this.
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>>8955 I was watching this earlier today and thought of clipping it as well. You beat me to it! I think like his power-level has been showing a lot more lately in his videos. Based. I hope he doesn't get shoah'd soon. I'm not totally convinced on what he says about Jesus though. I think Acharya teaches that the original Christians were essentially gnostic and that Jesus was by no means an Abrahamist. I will have to catch one of his streams live and ask him more about this. >>8917 On one hand it's understandable why they may be so attached to the term "Aryan", but that does not excuse them. They are living a lie. Their "ancestors" were not brown people or mutts, but pure Aryans. I know for a fact that if we ever lost and were mutted out of existence as pure Europeans, mutts would remain for centuries pretending that their ancestors were just as brown as they would be.
>>8785 This is cool and all, but I rarely see priests talk about how the White race and the original Aryans are the ones who must preserve their race at all cost.
>>8967 Nearly everything under Jewish hegemony is co-opted. It turns into a “pick and choose” mindset, only the most kosher and diluted aspects remaining. No surprises in this regard
>>8967 Who are these "priests" youre talking about? Christians?
>>9002 He's talking about Hindus, sages, yogis, and all the other teachers.
>>9005 >He's I meant I'm
>>9006 >>9006 >>9005 >>8969 >>8967 >>8877 >>8873 >>8859 Somethings not right here
>>9009 Meaning?
>>9064 >No, but you need to still say it up 10-30 million times just to finish a mantra depending on what it is. If you do the math that takes about four years per fucking mantra before going on the next. Imagine having to do the most powerful and known mantras in the each hindpoo theology, you will be over 50-80 years old before you can finish them all or get the ones you want to finish. Is any of what they are saying true at all?
>>9066 >Is any of what they are saying true at all? No
>>9068 The guy seems a bit disingenuous but can you explain why, because I thought this too at one point.
>>9071 Maybe I'm just ignorant, but I've never heard any of this stuff about cycling through mantras or having to do them a certain amount of times to "finish" them before moving onto another, or that there are so many that you'll die before getting to certain mantras. Literally never heard anything close to that. The most I've heard is spending 20-30 minutes in a mantra meditation session repeating a certain mantra (aum namo narayanaya, etc) as a focal point of the meditation session. I know also that millions of Hindus apparently recite the Gayatri mantra three times a day as a sort of prayer as well. I've also heard of people being initiated into certain mantras, but again nothing like what that post is saying. Other anons might be able to give you a more informed answer.
>>9076 if you cant find it written down in a scripture then i wouldnt consider it true. >>8967 the "eastern religions" scene in the west is incredibly pozzed. dharmanation guys approach to keeping it traditional and orthodox is a good guard against the pozzing. i dont think this pozzing is only modern though, i think its popped up in vedic religion now and then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WKkkXBGhEg[Embed] the root of the pozzing is the idea that the soul of all living beings is essentially equal. "its all just atman bro". the doctrine of karma, and that all your blessings and sufferings are due to your own actions and no one elses would negate the pozzing, but karma is a material thing and these religions teach that the material is illusory and only the spiritual is real. the pozzing is probably more likely to happen in the atheistic and impersonal sects (advaita) where they teach you are god and so is everybody else and once you realize that you can be liberated and become like god, merge into the impersonal ultimate reality losing all individuality. in theistic sects you have to please the supreme being to become liberated, and only by the grace of that being can you be liberated. this creates a host of conditions for liberation that restrict it to people who are intelligent, virtuous, self-conscious (not niggers). its easy to say that the religion should have been constructed to permanently create an eternal distinction between the innermost selfs of the aryan and the nigger, but the goal of the religion is to evolve the soul. prabhupada said that aryans are White and that the aryan form of life is for spiritual understanding, and this birth is not arbitrary it is earned and should not be wasted. dharmanation guy uses two terms in his video on lord of the rings (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh36Ys0hxoE) called manushya and amanushya. manushya are descended from manu and are humans and amanushya are more like humanoid beasts (orcs, probably niggers). the religion of sanatana dharma is not intended for the amanushya, it is intended for the arya-manushya. this creates a qualification that you have to earn in order to be saved or liberated. creating qualifications like this is a way to guard against "anti-racist" pozz (we're all just atman bro). the impersonal atheistic sects would believe any being could perhaps realize they are just atman and become liberated but the theistic personal sects would say you need to earn the birth of arya-manushya, and then be initiated by a spiritual master into a legitimate lineage before being eligible for liberation at all. creating these qualifications guards against the pozz, but i dont think its strong enough. saying that the innermost self of niggers and Whites are eternally different too, i cant say i completely believe that. i've met plenty of Whites who have chosen to act just like niggers, why wouldnt they be reborn a nigger? if a White can be reborn as a nigger then our innermost selves arent eternally different. ive never met a nigger that was White through and through, but certainly there are niggers who have decided to live differently than their kin, why wouldnt they be rewarded with gradually higher forms of life for their actions? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WKkkXBGhEg[Embed]
>>9087 Isn't reincarnation a late exogenic influence though ? I remember vaguely that in the doctine of awakening, Evola talks about how the original Aryan vedic doctrine was corrupted by dravidian influences. And reincarnation is an inferior belief tied to matriarcal, lunar and feminine races, who returned to earth as an indifinite energy to be born again. He also considers atma to be a goal that someone has to work in order to reach and not a default state of being present in everyone.
>>9140 >Isn't reincarnation a late exogenic influence though ? I've heard this too. Apparently there is no mention of reincarnation in the Vedas, and that many of these concepts developed from the śramaṇa movements between 800-400 B.C. I've often heard that many of these movements or spiritual trends were the result of Dravidian influence, but I'm not so sure here, as there were wholly European traditions / sects that held beliefs involving reincarnation of the soul and similar doctrines. Orphism, Pythagoreanism, etc.
>>9146 Then look back at what the Norse and Celts believed in, did they believe in reincarnation it had any similar beliefs to the Vedas, Orphism, and Pythagoreanism on reincarnation?
>>9147 I'm not sure about the Norse, but there's definitely reports of it among the Celts. Julius Caesar wrote this: >They [Druids] wish to inculcate this as one of their leading tenets, that souls do not become extinct, but pass after death from one body to another, and they think that men by this tenet are in a great degree excited to valour, the fear of death being disregarded. They likewise discuss and impart to the youth many things respecting the stars and their motion, respecting the extent of the world and of our earth, respecting the nature of things, respecting the power and the majesty of the immortal gods. https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/10657/pg10657.html
>>9149 Is that the only evidence or knowledge about celts believing in reincarnation? The Astaru I believe may have probably believed in it as well, but I don't know.
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>>9151 Wikipedia gives us one more apparent attestation of some Celts believing in reincarnation, but I haven't taken the time to dig it up in the primary text: >The Pythagorean doctrine prevails among the Gauls' teaching that the souls of men are immortal, and that after a fixed number of years they will enter into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation#Celtic_paganism It's really a shame that there is so little information available, since as was said in the same paragraph that I quoted from above the Druids "are said there to learn by heart a great number of verses; accordingly some remain in the course of training twenty years. Nor do they regard it lawful to commit these to writing".
>>9154 I somehow left off the end of the quote whoops. It ends > another body
>>9087 >its easy to say that the religion should have been constructed to permanently create an eternal distinction between the innermost selfs of the aryan and the nigger, but the goal of the religion is to evolve the soul. First I'm hearing that the soul is eternal and never changes and now I'm reading that we're supposed to evolve the soul. Which one is it?
>>9163 The self or soul is like gold in the state of ore. The gold is impure and mixed with many things, but can potentially become pure refined gold through a bit of effort. The process of removing the dross attached to it is following an upward path towards purity and perfection. The soul doesn't change per se, but its material circumstances can and do due to karma
>>9164 Well that explains it, but all this karma, rebirth, becoming a god, etc is pretty damn vague.
>>9163 i cant really say i know. the source of this confusion can be a translation thing, similar to the translation of deva to god or self to soul. in vedic religion change is associated with being under the influence of time, being material, things that are born and die, things that grow old wither away and are no more, these things dont apply to the self. i dont know what the technial mechanics are of the evolution of the self from being incarnated as a nigger to being incarnated as a god. different sects would have different opinions. the jains use the gold trapped in ore metaphor for the soul a lot, but they insist that despite being immortal timeless eternal etc, the soul does indeed change. this is noteworthy because the doctrines of jainism are much more technical about everything than the vedics. >>9166 >but all this karma, rebirth, becoming a god, etc is pretty damn vague. what exactly is vague about it? >>9140 >Evola talks about how the original Aryan vedic doctrine was corrupted by dravidian influences. this probably is true and is still happening today, hindusim =/= vedic religion. it never happened to the extent that you wouldnt be able to pick out the aryan elements. do you have any specific sources of this reasoning btw? >And reincarnation is an inferior belief tied to matriarcal, lunar and feminine races, who returned to earth as an indifinite energy to be born again. in bhagavad gita there is mention of the soul going towards the moon or the sun, and krishna says that those who go to the moon achieve him. however the idea of the eternal self and reincarnation, i dont think it has anything to do with femininity or is exclusive to lunar races. do you have any specific sources for this reasoning? >>9146 >Apparently there is no mention of reincarnation in the Vedas i very much fucking doubt it. anyone who believes this does not know enough to barely even breathe near the subject. >I've often heard that many of these movements or spiritual trends were the result of Dravidian influence do you have any sources more than just wild speculation and heresay?
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>>9168 >do you have any specific sources for this reasoning? I found the passages un a shitty pdf version, there are some typos. I read the french version which I think is a better translation but this does the job.
>>9168 > very much fucking doubt it. anyone who believes this does not know enough to barely even breathe near the subject. Well, it means that Evola is a lying piece of shit according to you because he says exaclty that in the screenshots I posted above. sorry for double post
>>9168 >what exactly is vague about it? Vague is probably the incorrect word for me to use, I meant confusing, because alot of priests go back and forth on what said what and what it didn't say, such as the Vedas. >in bhagavad gita there is mention of the soul going towards the moon or the sun, and krishna says that those who go to the moon achieve him. What does that mean?
>>9171 >Evola is a lying piece of shit according to you No. i never said that, i never meant that. im not going to continue any discussion with you. i've wasted too much time with you on this website before. fuck off.
>>9166 For the "becoming a god" stuff, the long answer is this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_YU4fAWdC0 But the shorter answer is that many ancients believed in a hierarchy of divine beings, with one highest God (capital G) at the top of the hierarchy. The lower gods were either emanations of creations of the highest divinity, and with souls just like humans and other forms of life. This is how it is possible to be reborn as a god (lowercase g). It involves a completely different conception of what a god is compared to what we're fed usually. Karma is just a word meaning "action". The fruits of action lead to different consequences, higher or lower births. Except Jains believe that karma is a type of matter particle that can cover the soul and prevent its perfection and purity.
>>9177 >says something which contradicts what Evola said >insists about the ignorance of the believer of the opposite idea >I never said that > i've wasted too much time with you on this website before what ?
>>9187 Does this shit look dravidian to you motherfucker??? https://youtu.be/5K22AjkRXNA
>>9196 So is this good or bad?
>>7606 >Indra, mass killer of curryniggers, still worshiped by lost tribe of Aryans Imagine my surprise.
>>9305 >but muh based Krishna
>>8721 >He's not openly /ourguy/ Is he White? Y/N?
>>8726 Interesting. Hippies had the right heart but not the proper guidance. Even Prabhupada learned something there. >>8785 >Bharata So the figurative individual and the place shared the same name at some point? >race That's a modern translation and as often misses the subtleties of the original words, especially ancient Sanskrit. I'm curious as to what the original term is. >>8850 >I also heard there was a code of conduct they hold that's very similar to the Talmud. The Talmud has helped the kikes get where they are today. There's probably tons of terrible stuff, stupid rules and other forms of nonsense, but there surely be some seriously based rules of thumb too in it. >>8851 > The real caste system of Nature is race. BOOOOOOOOOOOMM!!!! (noted for future religion) >The Jew will always cast himself as the redeemer of the wretched and subhuman And above all, the destroyer of nations and yet the eternal victim. >>8875 Cue all the high class females who try to Whiten their skin with creams. It's like a softer and perfumed form of bleach. >>8884 >i always thought this, although they arent bent on collecting wealth and abusing the populace, the brahmins mostly want to be left alone to practice their religion which in whatever form would always center around something other than the current world they are in, but the us and them superiority complex is very much there. They are the leftovers of Aryans who committed racial treason. They could never get back into Aryanhood in this life. At best, if possible (and that's highly speculative), they might obtain a right to Whiteness for a future life. >>8884 >bharata wasnt a brahmin he was a kshatriya, and the culture/religion is more accurately described as vedic, except in the case of the adi purana its not. adi purana is a Jain scripture, and in the scripture it says that the kshatriyas are the first and foremost the best of all races and that the brahmins were created later and would eventually turn into shitty people. Without much bewilderment, Perennialists would argue that Brahmins were above all and the Kshatriyas revolted against the sacerdotal class. They put the passive clergy above the caste that would have actually been both priest and warrior: knowledge and praxis. >the vedics call the jains heretics and the jains call the vedic puranas the false puranas Frankly, beyond the Rig Veda, you must begin to proceed with caution. The Puranas aren't worth the praise they get. They contain subversive content. I think it's a mistake (proper of Mr Dumezil) to think that the division of society through three castes was traditional. It bears all the signs of the separation of what, in ancient times and in proper conditions exclusive to societies of higher status, was more or less united in peoples of greater abilities. I prefer to see the less prone to combat group, the priests, to be part of the combative group but living a more detached life. It doesn't take much to hold a sword, but understanding the principles of life, the medicine and astronomy, that required a mind that was bet kept far from the battlefield. In other words, the priest caste was feminine was seaked protection of the armed caste which elite would have had to be a blend of spiritual and active men. In other words, the priests would have been like a department of the larger militarized order of spiritual warriors, all answering to the king-priest. In many ways, this is exactly the model the Germanic SS were going for.
>>8910 >Without jews, shitskins still lose. Not exactly. In the natural order and hierarchy of spirits, souls and races, the non Whites have two choices: 1. be resentful and blinded by a untamed ego that will have them hate those who should stand above in the order of things. 2. wish and pray that those who should be above and rule as such under the wisest inspiration actually wake the fuck up, purify themselves and assume what should be theirs. In such conditions and ONLY in such conditions, there would be no shame to a non-White to submit to a true Aryan. Hatred would not exist but separation, spiritual, cultural, territorial and certainly racial, would be maintained and strict laws would exist to reflect this divine ordered necessity.
>>8912 >When the Kali Yuga reaches it lowest point Kalki will be born among a brahmana family in Shambhala and will slaughter all of those who dress like kings but who are not. He doesn't come to reform, or teach, or redeem, he just kills. The few remaining good people will be left to repopulate the Earth and thus the Satya Yuga / Golden Age begins again. As if there was any other way out. I think Vidarr is the God who's closer to Kalki in the Northern pantheon. Job gets done. Period. >Aryan = quality That's something that's often pushed for but it's not without merits. One should not forget that it was first and foremost an attribute associated to a White tribe. I for one do not see any issue using the word Aryan as an adjective assuming the user is a clear racialist too. It goes back to the fact that just being White is not enough, there has to be a specific spirit to it too. This because we have a lot of chaff and traitors and we would not need them at all. >>8917 I feel sorry for them but that's due to the fact that Aryan Whites are not there to show the path and put an end to this silly claims. In a way, we definitely are responsible too.
>>9087 >in theistic sects you have to please the supreme being to become liberated, and only by the grace of that being can you be liberated. this creates a host of conditions for liberation that restrict it to people who are intelligent Not necessarily. You've described Christianity right here too and we see how this (d)evolved. >we Atman Swap this with Unity or the One. It's almost Jewish, that way they used even names or terms in ways that are destructive of individuation, separation and uniqueness. > ive never met a nigger that was White through and through, but certainly there are niggers who have decided to live differently than their kin, why wouldnt they be rewarded with gradually higher forms of life for their actions? Studies about the sharing of past memories, jumping in bits from recently dead people to children, demonstrated that these memories remained within the same race too. So if a spiritual and racial upgrade was possible during the after-life/pre-life phase, it seems it would certainly require a lot of clout, like you're going to spend all these points you've preciously collected. However, not only do we have no proof at all for the possibility of jumping races, but although it could concern Whites who behave like niggers or jews, I really don't see why we should concern with the future of non-Whites who would want to move up the ladder. We shall not babysit them at all and if such a celestial mechanism does exist, then the upwards section requires our attention only insofar as we, Whites, might even become greater. >>9140 The druids also recycled it and added to their doctrine it seems, and used it against the ovates in a bid for power. Evola, iirc, says they took it from the Pythagoreans and the baron certainly didn't have tender words for them. But then again he mocked and insulted Bruno and pantheists so you make what you want of it and also said that Germans did to the jews was shameful.
>>9151 It depends where and how you "reincarnate". It's quite a popular stance these days to say that pagans simply considered that you moved on to live, in some different form, in another realm. Some of this was found in Germans, Greeks and Egyptians too. Perhaps they were wrong, or perhaps it was a badly formulated way about the process of actually moving on to another planet entirely, who knows?
>>9164 If the soul is an intermediary agent between the spirit and the body, then accruing knowledge and "dharma points" is certainly going to have an influence on the spirit, and your future bodies would need to account for this too so the soul would have to be modified to fit with the new bodies you would be inhabiting. Sort of. >>9168 >i cant really say i know. the source of this confusion can be a translation thing, similar to the translation of deva to god or self to soul. in vedic religion change is associated with being under the influence of time, being material, things that are born and die, things that grow old wither away and are no more, these things dont apply to the self. Then it would mean the "self" cannot learn, cannot accrue power. It would be a fixed collection of facts bound to remain static forever. So that if it started small and obviously inferior to any degree to the Monad, it could never hope to rise. The topic? What is the self? What does it contain? Is it pure thought? It is a collection of personalities like a databank? Is it a mutating project or not?
>>9327 Apparently
>>9328 > The real caste system of Nature is race. >(noted for future religion) This isn't wrong, but even within racial groups there is differentiation and hierarchy of course, so it is almost as if there are natural castes within castes.
>>9328 >bharata Bharata was a hero king. the whole planet was named after him, before the name of the planet was illavarta or something, but nowadays bharatavarsha just means india. >brahmins >they are the leftovers of aryans who committed racial treason scriptural proof, any kind of evidence, of this being more than just an invented speculation? >The Puranas aren't worth the praise they get. They contain subversive content. ive read bhagavata purana and i can say its very life denying, encourages the abandonment of family society and women, the world as a whole. i dont think this type of content is subversive though, it only appears that way if you look at it through an egalitarian lens. according to the scripture itself its not for everyone, and youre not supposed to tell everyone about. it calls itself a secret purana and is meant for the paramahamsa, not the ordinary man. have you read any puranas? do you know of any specific parts that are subversive? >I think it's a mistake (proper of Mr Dumezil) to think that the division of society through three castes was traditional. the varnas are mentioned in the rig veda but not in detail, as part of the cosmic man. the varna system sounds a lot like the hylic, psychic and pneumatic division of gnosticism. >I prefer to see the less prone to combat group, the priests, to be part of the combative group taken from the wikipedia article on sannyasi: >Sannyasa has historically been a stage of renunciation, ahimsa (non-violence) peaceful and simple life and spiritual pursuit in Indian traditions. However, this has not always been the case. After the invasions and establishment of Muslim rule in India, from the 12th century through the British Raj, parts of the Shaiva(Gossain) and Vaishnava(Bairagi) ascetics metamorphosed into a military order, where they developed martial arts, created military strategies, and engaged in guerrilla warfare.[6] These warrior sanyasi (ascetics) played an important role in helping European colonial powers establish themselves in the Indian subcontinent.[7] >In other words, the priests would have been like a department of the larger militarized order of spiritual warriors, all answering to the king-priest. king preist is probably the best type of leader. in bhagavata purana king parikshit was referred to as a "royal sage", and in jain religion the tirthankara has to come from the kshatriya class, not the brahminical class. king priest was definitely the ideal leader of ancient aryan society. >>9331 >not necessarily if you become liberated without the grace of the supreme being then your sect isnt theistic. >You've described Christianity right here too and we see how this (d)evolved. no, i havent, but i think you are right to draw that connection. the more a religion preaches dependence on a supreme being the more it can appeal to and accept a lower quality of human being, offering them the same reward as a high quality human who put in a lot of work to spiritually evolve, work that a lower quality of human being is simply not capable of performing. to me this draws an important distinction in indian religions between ones that are aryan and ones that are corrupted by dravidianization. i remember reading about an argument between northern (more aryan) vaishnava philosophers and southern (more dravidian) vaishnava philosophers in the role of god in liberation. the northerners said it is like a baby monkey on the back of its mother. the mother is doing the work but the baby monkey still has to hold on. the southerners said it is actually like a mother cat picking up its kitten. the mother grabs the cat by the scruff and the kitten simply accepts. understanding this, i lean towards the version of reality that jains put forward instead of the vedic version, that vedic culture and religion is a corruption of jainism, since jainism is an incredibly difficult religion to practice, there is no god trying to help you and you are completely on your own and only through the effort of your own will can you overcome challenges and achieve spiritual perfection. i think that this makes jainism more aryan than the vedic religion.
(double post because of character limit) >>9333 >the nature of the self it really depends on who you are asking. i cant say for sure which sect or religion is right, but i do 100% believe in a self that is transcendental to material conditions and that is the true nature of every living being. >Then it would mean the "self" cannot learn, cannot accrue power Jainism: the self is omniscient and omnipotent. it is the presence of specific types of karmas that prevent these qualities from being displayed fully. the tattvartha sutra explains this, and anon posted a link to it in the aryan religion thread Vedic: it is god, the paramatman, that gives the atman all knowledge and power. in bhagavad gita krishna says he gives the power to remember and to forget and that he is the strength of the strong and the intellect of the intelligent, etc. > It would be a fixed collection of facts bound to remain static forever. So that if it started small and obviously inferior to any degree to the Monad, it could never hope to rise. Jain: the soul evolving into the paramatman is the goal of existence Vedic: the atman is forever inferior to the paramatman/brahman. Vedic Advaita: the secret is you are the monad the whole time and just by realizing this you are liberated. >The topic? What is the self? What does it contain? Is it pure thought? It is a collection of personalities like a databank? Is it a mutating project or not? a great many scripture has begun just like this. there are many stories of spiritual aspirants inquiring to great and learned personalities and the conversations recorded begin exactly like that. read the upanishads and the tattvartha sutra, the puranas, the vedanta sutra. essentially all of indian religious literature is about this very topic.
>>9196 Are you trying to make a point with this video? You're being awfully vague.
>>9342 >scriptural proof, any kind of evidence, of this being more than just an invented speculation? The fact that they're not White yet this caste was the highest of all. Leaving aside the clearly 100% Dravidians of other currents, these Brahmins are all mutts, some of them retain a large amount of Whiteness depending on how close they are to the power and remnants of aristocracy. >do you know of any specific parts that are subversive? Would have to check txt notes I left a long time ago. Wasn't pleased with all I read and this had nothing to do with an egalitarian worldview. I consider the religious elite to be judged on their ability to show the way, to be an example to all, so I don't like those who say "do what I say not what I do" and keep diving into some near anti-life doctrine. It rubs me the wrong way. >varnas Precisely the lack of detail leaves the door open. The division model that is plastered left and right tends to imply a very clean separation, with warriors left out of spiritual matters on purpose. I see a system wherein orders can have their own internal separations on top of greater forms of grouping per type of activity as usually claimed. The Templars were for example an all in one structure. I wouldn't see any problem with clerics engaging in crafts. Warriors with no elite dedicated to spirituality would strike me as absurd. Etc. >if you become liberated without the grace of the supreme being then your sect isnt theistic. Christianity provides this. All Abrahamisms do and we can certainly agree that they're not limited to people with +120 IQs. >Not Christianity. Let's check. > in theistic sects you have to please the supreme being to become liberated The OT and NT are full of appeals to pleasing God. >and only by the grace of that being can you be liberated God came under the form of the Son of the Father. Under the Trinity, this is still God in action. The rest of your message does not address my remark but raises a good point about the idea of submission being stronger in the lower races. Hence the solar path to godhood already meant for the highest creatures on the biological plane, which we should by now already recognize as a reflection of greater values, something Traditionalists fail to do as they reject everything about reality and would therefore not be concerned, rather conveniently, about racial topics that would be trivial materialist contingencies to them. >Jainism vs Vedism Maybe you are talking about all Vedism, but the early texts are much less defending the idea of babysitting humans. I think we should consider a category of orthodox purist Vedism with an axis settled in segregation and self-work, in understanding that even later Vedic scriptures were produced at a time when the society was veering towards a form of cosmopolitanism, and by appealing to more and more people, also was introducing practical elements of demagogy to please the greater quantity as part of a project to produce an all encompassing religious model to maintain the whole society under one system, which was rather obviously its own failure.
>>9343 >it really depends on who you are asking. i cant say for sure which sect or religion is right, but i do 100% believe in a self that is transcendental to material conditions and that is the true nature of every living being. Agreed. >Jainism: the self is omniscient and omnipotent. So there can only be one self, thus the word itself becomes a poor choice because it is in fact more like an "All". So there has to be an intermediary element that is clearly more "self" (aka individuated) than the one big source at the origin of all. A true self that is closer to something approaching an instance of traits, a metaphysical personality in spiritual form only. >it is the presence of specific types of karmas that prevent these qualities from being displayed fully. But I hope this doesn't imply something negative about the karma, but more like incomplete, which is not a mistake. In sheer logical terms, a complete thing would be that All I talked about above and that All couldn't do anything as it is in any kind of creation. It has to generate splinters, fruits with more focused identities, filtering among the infinity of all attributes to create real selves, real individualities, even if these individualities in the spiritual realm would also be capable of adopting different forms (sort of avatara) and hence be humans down the line. >Jain: the soul evolving into the paramatman is the goal of existence Which is meant to be an infinite task, and this does not include the possibility, sometimes, to take a break and be willing to indulge oneself in the life of a simpler lifeform just for the sake of it. >Vedic Advaita Obviously does not work. >hey look ima da real boss but ima inna reduxed form ry nao so ok right free me nao! I do not seek any liberation since I don't see this realm as a prison but at best only some place that needs a bit of cleaning. >a great many scripture has begun just like this. I'm opening this for a discussion here. Tons of books with varying claims and opinions haven't provided much on the long term but a whole noise of contradictory stances. I don't think there will ever be any proof, but at least the proposed solution must make sense. For example, if one goes with the idea that the self is really the big mastermind that knows and holds all knowledge of everything, many answers are already provided: it has all there is to know and will not change ever. But then creating any universe is ultimately pointless if it's not going to be populated for the sake of lesser beings. Fortunately I have my own doctrine, I'm at a stage where I actually pick from the varying ancient ones to remove the slag.
>pics Is Jainism incoherent?
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>>9374 thats a powerful insight, far above my paygrade, thank you for bringing it up. if you want to know more about jainism, possible answers to some of the questions raised, or you want to search its teachings for more inconsistencies, here is a link to a translation of tattvartha sutra which has a sort of commentary that explains the sutras, some technical details, and alternate translations and opinions on them by the two main sects: https://archive.org/details/thatwhichistattvarthasutranathamalatatia_202003_432_M/page/n11/mode/2up >Contents >Categories of Truth_pg.1 >The Nature of The Soul_pg.29 >The Lower and Middle Regions_pg.65 >The Gods_pg.91 >Substances_pg.119 >The Inflow of Karma_pg.147 >The Vows_pg.165 >Karmic Bondage_pg.185 >Inhibiting and Wearing off Karma_pg.209 >Liberation_pg.249
>>9383 Thanks for the link, I've already started looking through it. There is much I like in Jainism, ethics aside.
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>>9384 theres some weird shit in there. enjoy. i like the ethics and respect them because they have their root in a technical understanding of immutable laws of the self and karma. they are extreme and unforgiving just like reality is. the ethics in tattvartha sutra are really for the monk and not the layman. there are texts for the conduct of laypeople, but i dont know of a text that concerns the ethics for a kshatriya which is what we would be primarily concerned with. i know jains claim the teachings of bhagavad gita as originally theirs which is primarily about the ethics of being a kshatriya in regards to the morality of killing, but i still want to see a specifically jain text about kshatriya ethics, not something claimed to be second hand, especially since it claims itself to be a kshatriya religion primarily. As i read adi purana and the padma purana (jain ramayana) i should stumble upon them. >>9374 i just opened up my physical copy to a random page and landed on the section on non-absolutism which then goes into the sevenfold predication. starts on page 136. maybe that can help. >>9366 (realized) >brahmins are aryan leftovers i didnt realize you meant modern brahmins, i thought you meant the concept of being a brahmin. >puranas there is not one universal code of conduct for every person in dharmic religion. renouncing the world for one person could be a great deed (a brahmin) but for another it could be a great sin (a kshatriya). what you see as an anti-life doctrine is actually the most pro-life thing for another person. what you see as pro-life could be seen as a horrible mode of existence to another. the thing thats subversive is when the conduct and goals of one type of person at a certain stage of varnashrama is preached as appropriate for every stage of varnashrama. take for example, the attitude of the nigger when it comes to White culture. they cant understand it when its explained to them, they just see it as strange and life denying to be monogamous and only have sex within marriage, follow basic laws, eat lightly seasoned food, etc. >The division model that is plastered left and right tends to imply a very clean separation, with warriors left out of spiritual matters on purpose. thats not true. the brahmanas overlap with the kshatriyas, the kshatriyas overlap with the vaishyas, and the vaishyas overlap with the sudras. understanding the 3 gunas of samkhya philosophy and their psychological implications, the varna system makes a lot of sense. this is explained in bhagavad gita. >vedic religion is abrahamism because they both advocate worship of a supreme being did i paraphrase that right? >but the early texts are much less defending the idea of babysitting humans agreed. >I think we should consider a category of orthodox purist Vedism thats exactly what sri dharma pravartaka acharya is doing (dharmanation guy). he is preaching the Sri Vaishnava sect which is recognized as the most orthodox school/lineage/sect/style of vedic religion. >>9367 >so there can only be one self they might have an explanation for this in the tattvartha sutra >But I hope this doesn't imply something negative about the karma karma is negative as it obscures the true nature of the self. >In sheer logical terms, a complete thing would be that All I talked about above and that All couldn't do anything as it is in any kind of creation. It has to generate splinters, fruits with more focused identities, filtering among the infinity of all attributes to create real selves, real individualities, even if these individualities in the spiritual realm would also be capable of adopting different forms (sort of avatara) and hence be humans down the line. i think vedic sects have argued with each other about this at length. the part about how the All has to generate splinters to perform action is heresy to many of them. >Which is meant to be an infinite task daunting, literally the most difficult thing you could ever possibly do, but not infinite >to take a break and be willing to indulge oneself in the life of a simpler lifeform just for the sake of it. everytime you dedicate your life to the religious path but fall short of the ultimate goal by the time of your death, you'll have accrued enough good karma to live in a better heaven everytime. >vedic advaita dont underestimate this idea. advaita was very much feared by prabhupada and his whole sampradaya as carrying people off the right track. they called them mayavadis. chaitanya said you had to take a bath if you saw the face of a mayavadi and anyone who reads their literature is for sure doomed. after buddhism peaked in india, hindusim was mostly a minority until adi shankara revived hindusim with advaits philosophy which then wiped out buddhism. The Allure of Mayavadi Philosophy and How to Refute It https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzlaTULl1oU Introduction to Vedanta Advaita https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1oJAjVLuP4&list=PLeP4eulMEXiMQWB-SUjsPwbOzEdhP4xBn
>>9390 >i like the ethics and respect them because they have their root in a technical understanding of immutable laws of the self and karma. What really interests me is how they teach that what Mahavira taught was not the result of divine revelation, but a truth discovered through earlier teachings, likely trial and error and gradually achieving greater and greater understanding. These people who reach this level are the tirthankaras of course. Buddhism is of course similar. I have always been suspicious of anything referring to itself directly as revelation, and find myself more amenable to this type of view, i.e. that in Nature (and perhaps beyond it) we can discern the way of things and reach conclusions on certain matters this way. If you find any more info about the Bhagavad Gita and the Jains, or Kshatriya ethics, definitely let us know. I will likely dig a bit myself tomorrow if I have time. And thanks for those specific page numbers. I will need to look more into that. To be honest I might have to start from the very beginning and take notes to really get a grasp on some of this stuff. It’s honestly astounding at times how much more intellectual these texts are in distinction to Abrahamic ramblings about foreskins. If Whites were ever to start producing texts, they would have to be true fountains of knowledge – true knowledge, not merely a textbook, that has little literary or spiritual value.
>>9390 >marriage Case in point: https://terezowens.com/ https://archive.vn/ruFaG Some Nig basketball player fucked a middle aged pornstar when he had a much younger woman who had his daughter. Juat about none of the Nigs in the comments called him out.
>>9342 >i lean towards the version of reality that jains put forward instead of the vedic version, that vedic culture and religion is a corruption of jainism, since jainism is an incredibly difficult religion to practice, there is no god trying to help you and you are completely on your own and only through the effort of your own will can you overcome challenges and achieve spiritual perfection. i think that this makes jainism more aryan than the vedic religion. Why do you learn towards this and have come to this conclusion? The Vedic is much older than Jainism and how is the Vedic a corruption of a religion that didn't exist until afterwords?
>>9401 I guess it would depend on how that anon actually sees the most basic Jain beliefs about the nature of reality. Since Jains believe their path is an eternal dharma and that Jainism, which is oftentimes attributed to Mahavira, in reality is a beginning-less way. Mahavira only taught what Parshvanatha taught, and Parshvanatha only taught what Tirthankaras before him had taught eternally (according to the Jain narrative)
>>9164 If the soul doesn't change then it cannot evolve, so doesn't this invalidate Jainism?
>>9426 The way I have understood it, the soul apparently has a natural state of omniscience which is obscured by karma-matter bound to the soul. This union of matter and soul is said to be beginning-less, and this itself has created some potential problems s the picture from my book here discussed a bit >>9374. Either its natural state is omniscient and perfected, or it is at least potentially so. The potentiality of this is obscured by karma-matter which is bound to the soul. The amount of karma-matter pouring in or being purged at any one time does change, and while it is not the soul, it is bound to the soul in the some way, determining rebirths and all that. The aim, liberation, is the perfection of the soul through the annihilation of this karma-matter. The other anon seems more knowledgeable, so he may correct me somewhere.
>>9396 >What really interests me is how they teach that what Mahavira taught was not the result of divine revelation, but a truth discovered through earlier teachings, likely trial and error and gradually achieving greater and greater understanding. it kind of is a divine revelation. the tirthankara dedicates their life to spiritual practice and acheives perfection, liberation, and becomes omniscient. by acheiving omniscience they become an authority to teach religion, so the information we have today is seen have come from mahavira, an omniscient being. i think during his time the religion was in remission or mostly lost until he revived it. learning things on your own is more valued than accepting knowledge from a higher source to them. tattvartha sutra mentions highly advanced ascetics have the power to contact beings who were already liberated to explain scriptures they cant understand, but then says an ascetic that advanced would never do this because its like cheating. in vedic/abrahamic religion this attitude is seen as foolish, and even heretical. >>9401 >Why do you lean towards this and have come to this conclusion? submission to a higher being, just pray so many times a day or say the magic phrase at the time of death and you will be saved regardless of your conduct, is a nigger tier way of thinking. a religion where there is no one god looking out for your well being, you have to be extremely self reliant and be willing to overcome every challenge that comes at you no matter how monumental it is, and then not be able to blame anyone but yourself for it happening, i think those values much moreso reflect White values and culture and are what makes us a higher order of being. there are many many other reasons that i cant remember or want to go into here, but after learning about both of them for a long time, jainism is like the purer science and vedic is like the dumbed down version with lots of good feels thrown in. jainism seems to be more like mankind before the AI war/warp rift that destroyed humanities galactic empire and birthed slaanesh and vedic religion seems more like the post horus heresy imperium of man if you catch the reference. the major flaw that keeps me from fully jumping onboard the jain train are logical flaws in their cosmology and their denials of a supreme being who created all existence. i think the vedic cosmology is more logical and metaphysically sound than to just say the universe is here and always has been, no being created it or maintains it and no explanation is needed for its existence. >The Vedic is much older than Jainism and how is the Vedic a corruption of a religion that didn't exist until afterwords? theres three different versions of jain history depending on who you ask. modern scholars, vedics, and jains themselves. modern scholars admit that mahavira and the tirthankara before him are actually historical figures, and that they cant really put a date on the beginning of jainism. the vedics say jainism started with a puranic character (the name rshabhadeva is mentioned in the vedas as well) called rshabhadeva who was a vedic king sometime ago that started jainism as a new system of religion. they claim he was an incarnation of vishnu as well. rshabhadeva is the name of the first tirthankara according to jains, but his activities as tirthankara and the time he would have lived are very far off the mark from the vedic version. the accusations and propositions of vedics towards jainism dont seem to line up, but the accusations of propositions of jainism towards the vedic religion seem to line up moreso. the vedics claim the vedas are infallible and of eternal origin, the jains say one of their guys wrote them and theyve been modified since. the vedics have their puranas and all claim they are perfect, modern scholarship repeatedly finds inconsistencies in puranic manuscripts and they all to some degree contradict each other, jains say the vedic puranas and version of history are false and invented. the vedic doctrines of karma and the soul dont have technical justifications, they are just stated as is, the jains have technical explanations for karma and the soul and philosophies that are imo much more sophisticated and seem to be coming from a higher intelligence that understood these things from a scientific level. >>9431 thats basically it, yes, but im pretty sure jains say the soul does change. tattvartha sutra talks about the soul having a size in relation to the body and how it expands as it becomes liberated from karmic bondage. its also described as having a natural upward motion, taking a specific path and time during transmigration, having a color to it as well. >>9396 >If you find any more info about the Bhagavad Gita and the Jains, or Kshatriya ethics, definitely let us know. I will likely dig a bit myself tomorrow if I have time. theres a lot of jains and hindus on quora. its a goldmine for random info. if you find anymore interesting stuff there post it here. https://www.quora.com/What-do-Jain-people-think-of-Bhagawad-Gita
>>9374 Essentially street shitters cannot come up with anything better but a pseudo all-encompassing and high-scope creed that satisfies their limited abilities in this world: so since they cannot come up with anything but an exotic form of niggerness about their current life, they'll claim that this limitation of their is therefore the apex of life, and proceed to shun it as small and nothing against [insert super-God name]. From this comfortable excuse, there, all becomes nothing more than a race to ditch the physical reality entirely and to return to a state where nothing will ever required to be done. Pure copium.
>>9462 I guess you could consider it another form of divine revelation. I guess what is interesting about it is that hypothetically one could gain access to this knowledge oneself without a teacher (assuming the religion's teachings are true), which is in distinction from the Abrahamic religions which rely, basically, one many one-time events or the revelation of a book or set of laws through someone, and no way of ever gaining access to this other than basically taking their word on it >just pray so many times a day or say the magic phrase at the time of death and you will be saved regardless of your conduct, is a nigger tier way of thinking. This has always seemed like a degeneration of a religion to me as well, just like the idea that we just have to have "faith" in the Jew nailed to a stick to be saved or whatever, or similar ideas such as chanting nenbutsu will instantly gain you access to Amitābha's Pure Land in some Buddhist sects.
>>9468 >nothing will ever required to be done Required to do what? As in what are they supposed to be doing?
in order for the dharmic worldview to be of use to us at this point in time, it needs to possess doctrines and instructions for salvation through violence. salvation through renunciation and non-violence are the most popular themes drawn from dharmic religions in the modern day, so much that many believe it is the only way and is the ultimate conclusion of the scriptures, this is false. >Without knowing that one's self-interest is in Viṣṇu (or Kṛṣṇa), conditioned souls are attracted by bodily relationships, hoping to be happy in such situations. Under delusion, they forget that Kṛṣṇa is also the cause of material happiness. Arjuna appears to have even forgotten the moral codes for a kṣatriya. It is said that two kinds of men, namely the kṣatriya who dies directly in front of the battlefield under Kṛṣṇa's personal orders and the person in the renounced order of life who is absolutely devoted to spiritual culture, are eligible to enter into the sun-globe, which is so powerful and dazzling. Arjuna is reluctant even to kill his enemies, let alone his relatives. He thought that by killing his kinsmen there would be no happiness in his life, and therefore he was not willing to fight, just as a person who does not feel hunger is not inclined to cook. He has now decided to go into the forest and live a secluded life in frustration. But as a kṣatriya, he requires a kingdom for his subsistence, because the kṣatriyas cannot engage themselves in any other occupation. But Arjuna has had no kingdom. Arjuna's sole opportunity for gaining a kingdom lay in fighting with his cousins and brothers and reclaiming the kingdom inherited from his father, which he does not like to do. Therefore he considers himself fit to go to the forest to live a secluded life of frustration. - Bhagavad Gita As It Is 1.31 purport by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada In vedic culture out of the four varnas the kshatriya varna is the only one that is forbidden to take sannyasi, renouncing the world. this restriction is not in jain religion, but it is telling that the jain mahapurana describes the kshatriya as the best and foremost of all races, and that the brahminical class was a later invention that would become corrupted with time. the spiritual principles of dharmic religion is not rooted in the renunciate who avoids all actions, but is rooted in the kshatriya varna who fights bravely for dharma and does not fear death. these values are not only absent from our race now, but people are actually shunned punished outcasted for performing the duty of the kshatriya. >"Therefore, Arjuna, you should always think of Me, and at the same time you should continue your prescribed duty and fight. With your mind and activities always fixed on Me, and everything engaged in Me, you will attain to Me without any doubt." He does not advise Arjuna to simply remember Him and give up his occupation. No, the Lord never suggests anything impractical. In this material world, in order to maintain the body one has to work. Human society is divided, according to work, into four divisions of social order—brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra. The brāhmaṇa class or intelligent class is working in one way, the kṣatriya or administrative class is working in another way, and the mercantile class and the laborers are all tending to their specific duties. In the human society, whether one is a laborer, merchant, warrior, administrator, or farmer, or even if one belongs to the highest class and is a literary man, a scientist or a theologian, he has to work in order to maintain his existence. The Lord therefore tells Arjuna that he need not give up his occupation.... -Bg As It Is introduction >TRANSLATION >Sin will overcome us if we slay such aggressors. Therefore it is not proper for us to kill the sons of Dhṛtarāṣṭra and our friends. What should we gain, O Kṛṣṇa, husband of the goddess of fortune, and how could we be happy by killing our own kinsmen? >PURPORT >According to Vedic injunctions there are six kinds of aggressors: 1) a poison giver, 2) one who sets fire to the house, 3) one who attacks with deadly weapons, 4) one who plunders riches, 5) one who occupies another's land, and 6) one who kidnaps a wife. Such aggressors are at once to be killed, and no sin is incurred by killing such aggressors. Such killing of aggressors is quite befitting for any ordinary man, but Arjuna was not an ordinary person. He was saintly by character, and therefore he wanted to deal with them in saintliness. This kind of saintliness, however, is not for a kṣatriya. Although a responsible man in the administration of a state is required to be saintly, he should not be cowardly. >TRANSLATION >O Janārdana, although these men, overtaken by greed, see no fault in killing one's family or quarreling with friends, why should we, with knowledge of the sin, engage in these acts? >PURPORT >A kṣatriya is not supposed to refuse to battle or gamble when he is so invited by some rival party. Under such obligation, Arjuna could not refuse to fight because he was challenged by the party of Duryodhana. https://asitis.com/
>>9611 speak english you degenerate race traitor
>>9624 There's not even any obscure terms in that post
A DharmaNation video on atheistic materialism versus Vedic spirituality: https://youtu.be/6B6XI-71h0E
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Transmigration is what the situation of today boils down to. the political nonsense of today, many people need little reason to steer towards it accepting its filthy doctrines going against all tenets of natural law, and despite the mountain of evidence and scientific and acient evidence in favor of lifestyles that are in harmony of the natural laws, these are derided. liberalism, extreme leftism, this degeneracy is not a disease of the mind as many are trying to treat it, it is a disease of the heart. the shape of nations is crafted by the purity of the blood, but the situation goes deeper. we find that many of the left and the liberals are still of pure White blood, but still their hearts are diseased. it is he who sends the souls is the one who shapes nations and the world at large. the ancient vedics had ceremonies to conceive of children whose soul would be of a certain quality, this was called garbhadana samskara. it should be also known that determining the quality of a child by means of astrological posittion in relation to the childs birth was seen as valid amongst the european and the indic traditions. we need to discover how to use this information, and the mechanics of purifactory rites, to have control over the types of souls which posess the bodies created by us and our wives. ignoring the mechanic of life that transmigration is a reality, and that we can have an affect over which souls become our children, is the spiritual equivalent of being a civic nationalist and ignoring the blood. https://www.radha.name/news/philosophy/garbhadhana-samskara-impregnation-rites http://www.pujadivine.com.au/what-is-garbhadhana-samskara/ https://vaniquotes.org/wiki/Garbhadhana-samskara https://shyamasundaradasa.com/jyotish/services/explanation_services/garbhadhana_samskara.html
>>9732 How can I be redpilled on transmigration though?
>>9740 you'd have to be redpilled on an eternal self that is independent of the body, and then karma to understand why the souls is bound to a certain body in a certain land in a certain family.
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new dharmanation guy video interesting things said in the Q&A session at the end. -each (legitimate) nation has its own atman. the phrase "spirit of a nation" is to be taken literally as such that a nation does have its own atman. -anarchism is self defeating because even in the anarchist movement there are leaders. -women can be rulers (POZZ ALERT) -donald trump is armed with narayana kavaca, some sort of ritual or mantra that can protect you from any and all dangers, effectively making you invincible or something (POZZ ALERT) -a king can come from either the warrior or sage class of people. -the shit hasnt yet hit the fan in america yet, but it will over the next several months. stock up, get armed and get out of the cities and leftist states. How to be a Ruler of Men https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYKqvZ3aV7o >“The political ruler (naradhipa, i.e., the “ruler of men”) should have great energy (utsaha), discriminating aims (sthula-laksha), memory of the deeds (both good and bad) of others (kritijna), should serve the elderly (vriddha-sevaka), be disciplined and ethical (vinita), endowed with equanimity (sattvasampanna), descended from a noble family (kulina), truthful in speech (sattvavak), pure (shuchi), not procrastinating (adirgha-sutra), of strong memory (smritiman), devoid of low or mean qualities (akshudra), and not harsh toward others (aparusha). He should be Dharmic is all things (dharmika) and without bad personal habits (avyasana), intelligent (prajna), courageous (shura), expert in keeping important secrets (rahasya-vit), and a good guardian of his own weak points (svarandhra-gopta). He should be well-versed in the knowledge of atman (true self) (anvikshiki), the science of the punishment of evil (dandaniti), the economy and agriculture (varta), and expert in the threefold science (vinita-trayam) of: Rig Veda, Yajur Veda and Sama Veda.” (Yajnavalkya Smriti, 309-311)
>>10077 I just got done watching that video myself. Overall it was pretty good and he painted a pretty good picture of what an ideal leader would look like. I couldn't help picture Hitler when he described many of the qualities of such great men. I was cringing at the two things you labeled pozz too though. When I saw the question about women leaders in the chat I was pretty sure he was going to ignore it, but unfortunately he did not. The scriptures seem pretty clear that women are not to be "independent" and are under the legal guardianship of male relatives. This is said in the Law of Manu and is repeated by Prabhupada for what it's worth: >Women or girls were not allowed to work. That is the Vedic system. They should keep at home, and they should be given protection by the father, by the husband or elderly sons. They were not meant for going out. https://vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/680930le-seattle/?query=women+sons+husband#bb528612 >And the Western countries, they have been taught to become independent. That is artificial. That is all artificial. So woman by nature... Manu-saṁhitā [9.3] says, na striyaṁ svatantram arhati: "Women should not be given independence." They must be protected by the father, by husband, and by elderly sons. They are not independent. No independence. Even Kuntī, the mother of such big, big sons, she was not independent. The sons were sent to the exile; mother also went. https://vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/770107r1bom/?query=women+independent#bb423196 This was basically the way of ancient Greece as well. On another note though, I don't know why the fuck he believes that Zion Don is good in any way, or how he buys this Qoomer shit. Embarrassing despite everything else.
>>10080 (Realized) He links the idea that women are inferior to men with abrahamism and that in dharmic philosophy men and women are different but equal. From what ive read of srimad bhagavatam the vedics hated women even more than the abrahamists, i think they go too far. I wish he would make a video about this and go in detail about it providing sources and such, but he probably cant because of the (((politically incorrect))) nature of gender issues now. When he said donberg trumpstein had the narayana kavacam i howled in laughter and depression.
>>10099 >He links the idea that women are inferior to men with abrahamism and that in dharmic philosophy men and women are different but equal. That's what I read in my copy of the Dharma Manifesto. Maybe I'm wrong, but this is a trivial difference. Even Abrahamic religions says that spiritually a woman is equal with a man, even if in life they have different roles and expectations to abide by. Saying something is different automatically implies inequality, and thus superiority and inferiority, especially when the two things are close in relation to one another. Inferior is such a loaded word though, unfortunately. I love women, but they're different than men, and inferior to men in many ways. That's just how it is, but when all is in its proper place, there's no one better than women to take care of certain tasks and roles. I thought of leaving a comment on this issue, maybe I will do it later, I don't know if anyone would answer. >When he said donberg trumpstein had the narayana kavacam i howled in laughter and depression. I just cringed and shook my head. I don't know what he sees in him. Maybe, just maybe, I could have seen this sort of optimism as warranted in 2016 early 2017, but after four years it's very clear (((where))) his allegiance lies, and I'll eat my hat if he does a complete 180 (hint: he won't). Even in 2016 there were plenty of red flags though
>>9343 >Jainism: the self is omniscient and omnipotent. >Jain: the soul evolving into the paramatman is the goal of existence Is jainism the only "aryan" religion that believes in this? Because it seems that the hellenics had the opposite viewpoint of this.
>>10117 not really, but sort of. the "evolution" of the self i would say is a defining theme of "dharmic" religions. But they all have a different take on how its done and what the end goal is and what the mechanics of it all. jainism believes that the self is naturally endowed with the qualities of omniscience and omnipotence, but these qualities are covered up by karmas (both good and bad karma). vedic dvaita (meaning two, us and god) philosophy still asserts that the soul has great potential for power and knowledge, but it is vastly inferior to god who is truly omnipotent and truly omniscient and any power or knowledge or any good quality is bestowed upon the self (atman) by god (paramatman). vedic advaita (meaning not two, we are god) is kind of in the middle, since it proposes that our ultimate evolution is losing our individuality and merging into the paramatman/brahman which would of course have the properties of omniscience and omnipotence. can you explain the hellenic viewpoint on this? >>10102 >Even Abrahamic religions says that spiritually a woman is equal with a man > Inferior is such a loaded word though good points. women are inferior =/= women should be submissive. i was thinking about this today and realized that the bible is much more pro family than the bhagavata purana as well, but this criticism isnt completely valid since bhagavata purana is specficially for the paramahamsa. i wonder if there are puranas written for the householders? one of the rajasic puranas perhaps? >I'll eat my hat if he does a complete 180 hes been throwing us bones lately but lets be honest its election time.
>>10128 The Hellenic viewpoint is that the soul does not evolve nor changes. The soul can become purified, but it does not evolve nor is it an omnipotent being. >it proposes that our ultimate evolution is losing our individuality and merging into the paramatman/brahman which would of course have the properties of omniscience and omnipotence. So it proposes that we lose all of our free will to become one?
>>10135 >The Hellenic viewpoint is that the soul does not evolve nor changes. The soul can become purified, That was my interpretation of the texts I have seen for the Jains. The union of soul and matter is said to be beginningless, but the soul can become purified until it reaches a state that the table below describes as “pure spirit” unmixed with impurities or that which is not the self. If it is true that this union was beginningless and it involves a change of state from impure to pure over many lifetimes, I guess it could certainly be described in a way as an evolution though. https://archive.org/details/Tattvarthsutra/mode/1up
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>Trump recovers from Covid >it turns out that the man who worshiped Trump and prayed and fasted for him dies from his efforts He sacrificed it all, bros.
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https://youtu.be/AHXLkDVnAuI https://youtu.be/hSm7WRT4ykQ https://youtu.be/BZYOtMXVhEI Could Yazidism be Dharma? There is a theory that it developed out of Hinduism, which explains their usage of the peacock as the symbol of their faith. They have their own caste system with three castes like the ancient Aryan caste systems, they believe in reincarnation, they are not strictly monotheistic (although they had to pretend to be in the Middle-East to avoid persecution), they do not attach a particular importance to scripture and passed down most of their teachings orally, they pray facing the sun (like Zoroastrians) and they do not practice circumcision.
>>10464 I forgot to mention that Yazidi men only grow their mustaches, rather than beards, also an Aryan custom that is still followed by modern Hindus.
>>10464 >>10465 I had thought that they were just a group of Abrahamics, but I was unaware that they had caste groups or reincarnation.
>>10469 They do incorporate a portion of the stories and figures from Abrahamic texts but have a very different interpretation on most of them. Their interpretation of Satan's actions in Genesis for example is that Satan's actions were based on a love for God and his idea that humans were too flawed to be worthy of God's compassion. He is not regarded as an evil figure and I think even has an important role in their pantheon of angels. Because of this, Yazidis are deemed Satanists by some Muslims.
>>10470 Aren't they Jews?
>>10482 No, I don't even think they speak a Semitic language
>>10482 They are Kurdish.
How do I into Chakras? I feel like this would be a great thread to ask in.
>>10501 Chakras are Tantric and Tantra is Dravidian. Just be aware of that. Shaivism, Shaktism and Tantra in general are egalitarian Dravidian people's movements. They only claim Vedic Authority. If you're still interested read The Serpent Power by Sir John Woodroffe (Arthur Avalon) and Shakti And Shakta by same author.
>>10529 So if chakras are actually real should we ignore their existence?
>>10530 Chakras are just an ancient Dravidian way of talking about the glandular and nervous plexuses. They aren't necessarily bad, but realize they are just bodily organs we understand better today. Like the Humours, realize they are just an outdated nigger understanding of the glandular systems.
>>10586 i think an awareness of the glandular and nervous plexuses is an achievement beyond niggers. you could apply the same logic to ayurveda and dismiss that entirely when infact its an incredible and effective system. maybe only dravidian corruptions of the chakra system survived and the original aryan texts of these things are no longer extant. if ancient dravidians came up with the chakra system (as a way to understand glandular and nervous plexuses as you said) i would put dravidians several steps above niggers in the race hierarchy. arent dravidians related to abbos? abbos are even more retarded than niggers. why do you believe that the chakra system was created by dravidians and not aryans?
>>10588 Tantra is Dravidian, egalitarian, non-aryan. Pages here are from Introduction To Madhva Vedanta. But this is easily verifiable elsewhere.
>>10607 that didnt address any of the points i made, or even the chakras or dravidians at all.
Regardless of "Dravidianness", truth should be our goal.
>>10633 Yes it did you fucking idiot. Chakras are from Tantra which is part of the Shaiva and Shakta DRAVIDIAN Tradition. This is clearly explained with further sources in the pages supplied. The word Chakra means Wheel or Disc, and of course this is used in Vedic texts. Like Krishna's Disc-Weapon. But what we are talking about is the rainbow lotuses in the spinal column and so on. That's Tantric yoga, and is Dravidian. I think you're just mad because Serrano and Evola were unaware of this fact.
>>10638 All that shit was about madhvacarya vaisnavism in relation to the dominant saivism of the area. It mentioned dravidians once, never mentioned chakras. It did not prove a connection between chakras and tantra (again it never mentioned chakras). Also the shit it said about jainism is plain wrong, so im not going to accept anythin from whatever this (completely unrelated) text came from. Lik >>10637 we should be moe concerned with truth, and like i said chakras are a system too complicated for a nigger tier people to create. Thank you for bringing absolutly nothing to this conversation.
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i havent spent enough time reading adi purana, but i figured id share some stuff i found interesting from the beginning of it which describes the decension of humanity and the world from a golden age far into the past. in the prime golden age people are described as living for 3 "palyas" and being 6 thousand "bows" tall. the people were beautiful, their bodies glittered like gold. everything they wanted came from a tree called a kalpavrksha, houses, musical instruments, ornaments, costumes, etc. in the next age the people are shorter, dont live as long, and eat from the kalpavrksha every 2 days instead of 3. their bodies are described as having a lustre like that of moon rays. all their arrangments are like those of hariksetra. the mention of hariksetra is important as i think its a tie in to vaishnavism. hariksetra is supposed to be some unique paradise world you can reincarnate in where tirthankaras incarnate perpetually, i think this could have been an early prototype for vaikuntha. in the 3rd age it says the bhogabhumi (meaning earth pleasure) arrangement of the lowborns appeared and says these people have a dark complexion. at the end of this 3rd period the lustre of the kalpavrksha of jyotiranga tree diminish and this causes the sun and the moon to appear for the first time frightening the people. a being described as a kulakara, who is 1800 bows in height explains to the people that the sun and moon were always there but not visible because of the brightness of the special trees kalpavrksa and jyotiranga. after this the text mentions the "Arya people" went home to their wives at the command of the kulakara. after a "manavantara of crores of years" passes a new kulakara appears of smaller height. this is the theme of the text in describing the ages in that a new being appears which guides the people through the distress of the deterioration of the age. this time the stars now appear and the kulakara explains (addressing them as the arya people) that the stars were always there but as the light of the kalpavrksa trees continues to fade now they are visible. he then explains the solar and lunar eclipses, the movement of planets from one zodiac to another, the rising of day and night, astrological sciences. with a passing of innumerable years the next kulakara appears and is now called a manu. in typical descriptions of these great beings he has a wide chest, long arms and a lustre issues from his body. the distress this time is that the wild animals like lions and tigers used to drink water and eat grass and now they roar and attack the people. the manu says they have become deformed because of time and cannot be trusted, then the people domesticate docile animals like cows and buffalos. the next manu advises people to use weapons against the animals as they become more feral and aggressive. the next manu is described as enjoying pleasures similar to indra and lakshmi. indra and lakshmi seem to get a lot of mentions in this text. the mention of these are notable along with their description as arya people as jainism is often accused of being dravidian and not aryan by a user here. these mentions go counter to that. as the kalpavrksas continue to decrease this manu assigns kalpavrksas for certain groups of peoples, as a way to ration them out. in the life of the next manu the kalpavrksas continue to decrease and people fight over them, this manu "indicates limits of kalpavrksas with small bushes". the next manu is the seventh and is height was 700 bows and he advises the people to use animals as vehicles. during the presence of the next manu people start to die immediatly as their children are born. the english translation is so terrible, im not sure but i think its saying that this was happening in the previous period but in this period the parents delay their death by looking at the face of their son. this manu "gives the parents a discourse on reality" since they can witness their sons for a moment. during the life of the next manu, the ninth manu, the parents are able to bless their offspring and "proceed to heaven after sometime". again the terrible english is making it unclear what exactly is happening here. during the life of the next two manus the parents play sports with their children and live a little while longer before proceeding to heaven. like all the manus before them, these manus are described as having moonlike faces and bodily lustre like the sun. th 12th manu appears and tells the people to use small boats to reach inaccessible places and to construct steps to the mountain like places. during this time small mountains, oceans, and rivulets appear and clouds that pour rains. during the appearance of the 13th and 14th manus two specific biological changes are mentioned when children are born, first the children are "born covered with membrane" and the manu "enlightens the people" about removing the membrane covering the fetus at the time of the birth of the child, then the "artery vein" is visible at the birth of the child and the 14th manu "allowed it to be cut off".
>>10699 each manu as a description of bodily features, theres a strange part where the 14th manus body is described as "brahma had made it quite intellignetly". this is strange because jains reject the belief of the creator god brahma. they accept the existence of indra and indra is mentioned a lot as a certain being and as a type of god, jains believe in the heavens and celestial beings, but not that the universe and peoples bodies are created by anything other than the natural laws of matter. the text goes onto to describe that it was "during this time that the black clouds with some Whiteness had appeared over the sky accompanied with the rainbow". then it talks about how clouds cover the whole sky and produce thunder and lightning and rain continuously and great rivers forming on the mountains that flow with great force. this sounds a lot like a setup to the great flood myth, but it ends with new types of cereals sprouting from the earth as to take the place of the kalpavrksas dying out. there is a list of grains and beans as the plants that appear after the great rain. the people are confused and dont know how to eat them. as the last of the kalpavrksas die out the people hungry and upset go to nabhiraja (the 14th manu) who is now described as the chief leader of the yuga. he says in the absence of kalpavrksas new trees have come up and that people are to use those trees for food. he indicates towards other trees and tells the people to keep away from them for being poisonous. it then ends in a recap of the names of the manus and what they did. i thought this information could be valuable for anyone who knows about other golden age and decline of humanity myths, to see if there are similarities in the stories.
>>10699 Their depiction of the time cycle makes me think of Empedocles’ ideas of an interplay between love and strife, and move either towards more love or more strife, with different conditions in each inbetween period. In the age of increasing strife people start eating meat, doing animal sacrifices and acting like degenerates. He also believed in reincarnation
>this pain tolerance What level of Übermensch was he on?
>>10708 >he As in the monk in the picture?
>>10710 Yeah, him. I was more interested in whether in general highly-advanced practitioners like that become truly become immune to pain. >"But in the case of a well-taught noble disciple, O monks, when he is touched by a painful feeling, he will not worry nor grieve and lament, he will not beat his breast and weep, nor will he be distraught. It is one kind of feeling he experiences, a bodily one, but not a mental feeling. https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn36/sn36.006.nypo.html
do you guys ever wonder about vedic cosmology vs modern cosmology? i know there is at least one vedic true believer here, what is your opinion on the shape of earth and cosmology of the universe?
>>10988 Vedic cosmology is very interesting. I’ve seen a few videos on it and read about its descriptions in the Srimad Bhagavatam. To entertain the possibility that what we call Earth may be merely an extremely tiny part of a massive plane called Bhū-maṇḍala, composed of seven concentric dvīpas and oceans, is fascinating. I think what is most important to focus on though is the fact that it is so clear that this is a flat plane described, never a sphere or a globe. The idea of Rahu as the true cause of eclipses is very interesting as well, especially in light of the article that I have attached below – https://youtu.be/FzqcqfmUS7g https://krishna.org/astronomy-debunked-solar-eclipses-are-not-caused-by-the-moon/ Concerning my own thoughts – the idea of the globular ball Earth has been cast into doubt to an extent by my research on these matters, whether we’re talking about videos, or books such as Zetetic Astronomy. I would never call myself 100% convinced, but some things seem to not add up.
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can dharmic religions guide us in dealing with the lgbt nonsense being pushed today? scriptures acknowledge that homos exist, but does not have a condemnation of them or homo activity like abrahamist religions do. there arent any examples in puranas and such of a homo-sage who attained enlightenment or a homo-king, but there arent any examples or explicit instructions on how to deal with the situation. in dharmanation guys book you can tell he doesnt like it, but his only solution is at best to ignore them and make them stay in the closet. having access to statistics these days we know that homos are a public health risk spreading disease and reproducing through molestation. this is an area where abrahamism has a better position than dharmic religion it seems.
>>11060 It's one area where Abrahamic measures should be adopted. Obviously heterosexual relationships are the only dharmic ones, and the only socially useful ones too. These are both important in a National Socialist context. There's no grounds for "gay marriage" or other forms of degeneracy. In the three examples of Rome, ancient Greece and India, there were very clear sex roles and expectations to be followed as well.
>>11071 We don't need Abrahamic measures to deal with it, we can deal with it the same way we will deal with the Abrahamics, purging, and after finding the proper way to structure everything finding a way to deal with a future resurgence of it in a way that doesn't end like it has today which is what utter repression has led to, we need to find a better way.
do you think hardcore followers of vedic religion would be against purging faggotry, treating it as a public health risk, simply because this course of action is not reccomended anywhere in vedic scripture?
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>>11081 I'd dispute the fact that 'utter repression' has led to the situation of today. What I do not think we're seeing is the emergence into the open of people who would have been homosexuals regardless of the sociological propaganda that we're being exposed to today, but rather millions of artificially-created homosexuals who would have been completely normal people ~75 years ago. I'd dispute the idea of an exclusive homosexual orientation. For the last few decades, and increasingly so, we are seeing the hypersexualization of our societies increased ever more through artificial means and through the celebration of "being oneself", and "acceptance". This has led to the normalization and popularization (also thanks to pornography) of degenerate sex acts like anal, or even worse the concept of "eating ass". Another good example of the artificial nature of the sexual degeneration of our societies is the whole "transgender" phenomenon. This was completely astroturfed into the public consciousness in the early 2010s, and suddenly the numbers of these people just exploded. Again, these people would never have become trannies without the perfect storm of Jewish programming, faggy "acceptance" culture, hypersexualization and pornography. If we cut it off at the root and beginning restricting this behavior, it will quickly fade out within a generation or two I believe. After that, any sodomite who dares try to re-normalize this filth should be thrown off a rooftop or into a bog, or whatever the modern equivalents of those are. >>11083 We could at least hope that they wouldn't resist it. It would be disappointed to see a "Nooooo not my homosexerinos!" type response.
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>>11086 >Again, these people would never have become trannies without the perfect storm of Jewish programming, faggy "acceptance" culture, hypersexualization and pornography. i see this as a nature vs nurture type of deal. you are saying the explosion of this crap is nurture and i agree with you, but i am also disturbed that you could ever get anyone to "become transgender" outside of the most hardcore mk ultra drug fueled locked in a room torture session. This speaks volumes about the persons nature as well. if these people were raised in a healthy environment they wouldnt give into this nonsense, but arent they like sleepers in a way? can we really say they are real people? do they actually have souls? i dont think there is any vedic wisdom on this topic beyond the mentioning of the sudra. i dont think the sudra really explains the NPC phenomenon we are seeing. i dont care if these people would be healthy otherwise, they arent human to me and i dont want them in my society. >>11084 >AUMMMM....NAAMMMOOOO....NNAAAARRRRAAAYYYYYNNNNAAAAAAA AAAUMMMMMMMM NAAAAAMMMMMOOOOOOOO NNAAAAARRRRAAAAAAYYYYAAAAAANNNAAAAYYYYYAAA
>>11086 >I'd dispute the fact that 'utter repression' has led to the situation of today. I never said it was the sole cause, I do think utter repression enabled the vector of destruction and subversion we see now on that front, but if that's the course that is taken so be it, I wouldn't care myself. >What I do not think we're seeing is the emergence into the open of people who would have been homosexuals regardless of the sociological propaganda that we're being exposed to today, but rather millions of artificially-created homosexuals who would have been completely normal people ~75 years ago. I agree that many if not most of these people would not ordinarily be this way. >I'd dispute the idea of an exclusive homosexual orientation. For the last few decades, and increasingly so, we are seeing the hypersexualization of our societies increased ever more through artificial means and through the celebration of "being oneself", and "acceptance". I agree here as well. >This has led to the normalization and popularization (also thanks to pornography) of degenerate sex acts like anal, or even worse the concept of "eating ass". Eh, probably but i think a good many of those were occurring anyway unbeknownst to most, though certainly less often. >Another good example of the artificial nature of the sexual degeneration of our societies is the whole "transgender" phenomenon. Of course. >This was completely astroturfed into the public consciousness in the early 2010s, and suddenly the numbers of these people just exploded. Nah, that has been talked about for decades but it wasn't pushed to be accepted like it is now at least not as much but freaks and subversives like John Money have been doing it all along. >Again, these people would never have become trannies without the perfect storm of Jewish programming, faggy "acceptance" culture, hypersexualization and pornography. It definitely contributes but I suspect the problem is a more to do with decadence and the mouse utopia problem than direct actions by the jews. >If we cut it off at the root and beginning restricting this behavior, it will quickly fade out within a generation or two I believe. All living out of the closet faggots most likely will end up under the ground or turned into ashes or fed to wild dogs i'm not sure anyone's picky on that, it will be put out it will not fade out. I think the key is figuring out how to deal with it when it does arise which may require keeping some alive for study. >After that, any sodomite who dares try to re-normalize this filth should be thrown off a rooftop or into a bog, or whatever the modern equivalents of those are. Pretty sure the modern equivalents of those are Bogs and rooftops they will probably never change more than the words used to refer to those things.
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>>11086 >We could at least hope that they wouldn't resist it. It would be disappointed to see a "Nooooo not my homosexerinos!" type response. it could very well happen just like that. if someone is born with an abnormal sexual disposition its inherent based on their karma for at least that lifetime, you cant "electrotherapy" it out of them. they would have the option to not act on it and live a life of celibacy, this would make them acceptable to the vedic minded community. The reality is is that they are most likely a predator waiting to happen. something like this happened (pic related) in an early iskcon runaway cult where this dude was a known homo and worked his way to becoming the (celibate, sannyasi) religious leader of a vedic commune only to be chased out later for molesting kids.
>>11083 The laws of Manu forbid gay relationships, but punish it lightly, as I recall.
>>11101 What does it say about chopping your dick off and larping as female?
>>11086 >eating ass I get not doing anal but if it's a woman, why not?
>>11094 What about gays who are still inside the closet? Should there be an avenue to do what they wish (not with an another male though). I understand that homosexuality is a depressing issue but we cannot keep suppressing something forever. Japan for example knows that while its citizens are hardworking, they live a shitty work/play life. So, the entertainment industry introduced violent shoes to combat the feelings of stress and anger.
>>11105 shows*
>>11105 The ones inside the closet should stay there and conform to what society and Nature requires of them, unless we can discover some way of dealing with it either to cure it or make it managable.
>>11102 I haven't read the book myself but I am pretty sure that 'sex-change' operations first occurred in the Weimar Republic and never happened historically before that.
>>11092 To an extent NPCs are sudras. They're the majority of the population which does labor, enjoys labor, and feels fulfilled through labor. They are not the brain of civilization, and indeed benefit greatly through being controlled through laws and more elevated types of humans. Under the proper guidance these NPCs would be much more healthy in their habits and lifestyles. The Bhagavad Gita (3.21) teaches that "Whatever action is performed by a great man, common men follow in his footsteps. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues." Though this is in reference to a great man, certainly the inverse would apply as well. In the absence of a great leader, the false leaders will mislead the people. In 3.23 Krishna even says "For, if I did not engage in work, O Partha, certainly all men would follow My path." The most abominable elements of human civilization might be nurtured sudras, but it is more likely that they are chandalas. Utter subhumans.
>>11104 Why would you ever want to lick or tongue someone's asshole? >>11102 It doesn't say anything about it. It mentions that Brahmins should not accept food from eunuchs though. I believe (but can't find the verse) that castration is a punishment for some crimes, but like I said though, these people could not even conceive the degeneracy of today where such things such as getting doctors to cut off your dick and then LARPing as a woman were even possible.
Ass fixation with no regard to hip width is degenerate for Europeans. Non-European populations (Negroes, Jews, Beaners, etc.) fixate on the women's ass since their women have plain to repellent faces. As Euro made society becomes more and more Negrofied/Jewed, ass fetishes become more mainstream. As reflected in the dietary and exercise (squats) and surgery habits of women who work to give themselves bodies like whores in rap videos. Not only that, but the women have worse body odor from a combo of factors (flatulence, not cleaning themselves off properly once finished on the toilet) with you not noticing since they cover it in perfume. >>11100 >if someone is born with an abnormal sexual disposition its inherent based on their karma for at least that lifetime There aren't any gay genes.
>>11176 >tfw like ass more than tits Am I just a White nigger?
>>11176 >women have worse body odor from a combo of factors (flatulence, not cleaning themselves off properly once finished on the toilet) with you not noticing since they cover it in perfume. There's a reason why women were considered to be more profane and less pure in traditional societies. The divide between a beautiful woman and a filthy disgusting whore is extremely small.
>>11176 >there arent any gay genes how do you figure? gays reproducing through molestation is one way for their existence, but how can you rule out the possibility of a genetic factor?
>>11195 The evidence for a gay gene, especially as a major factor, is underwhelming even despite the funding and incentive of the globohomo lobby.
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New dharmanation guy video, he talks about manhood and how the media has distorted its meaning, the qualities that real men have, how manliness was fostered in traditional societies vs today. lots of general good advice, but im disapointed that he doesnt cite any vedic sources for such an important topic. im wondering if they never bothered to write it down and make a science of this because in a traditional ancient pre-jew society they just didnt have the gender identity problems we are having now. Dharmanation - Art of Manhood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMyFZvw6Cw0
>>11184 Of course they were. Women by birth have no loyalty to the tribe, merely their immediate "nuclear family" since women across history have been been captured in war or traded for diplomacy. Women representing The Good independently of performing their role for the tribe is overall historically recent and roots in post-Christianized Europe (namely Modern England). >>11195 Any "genetic factor" would be the same one as for something like schizophrenia. Not just being gay. More importantly, in species that reproduce using two sexes there aren't any solid examples of exclusively homosexual (rather "situational") behavior in the wild (rather than in captivity). Even in a species like bonobos the homosexuality is lacks examples of exclusives.
>>11206 I saw this in my feed earlier, I'll have to check it out and come back here later. I definitely don't think a lack of masculinity was a huge problem in the past so they might have not had to deal with such things, as you say. >that video He's getting more open on these things. Based. The beard fits him better than clean-shaven too. >>11213 > Women by birth have no loyalty to the tribe, merely their immediate "nuclear family" This is why I think the guidelines for women in the Laws of Manu seem so much more sensible to me the more I get redpilled on these questions. I will have to quote them ITT thread some time soon.
>>11195 a gay gene should be selected out of existence, for the simple reason that it makes reproduction very difficult. it can't be a choice either, because even in societies that violently punish homosexuality, it still emerges, not to mention cases of fags trying to suppress their urges and not being successful. since it emerges in all sorts of environments, we can't draw a clear correlation there either. some older sources claim that upbringing causes homosexuality, but I think they're conflating certain character traits or behavior patterns with being gay; after all, not all homosexuals are the sissy type. if it's not genetic, environmental, or by choice, then it must be congenital. I think homosexuality is decided when the fetus' brain is developing. there must be some mechanism for sexual orientation, and for a minority, the 'switch' gets flipped the wrong way. that to me is the most consistent explanation.
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Here is the section on women I was going to quote. >>11250 I at least think the explosion in homosexuality today is partially due to environmental factors along with sociological ones. It's like Calhoun's rat utopia. Homosexuals began appearing as the population density rose, along with all sorts of other bizarre behaviors.
Sri Lanka Police Anally Torture, Whip Gay Men Suspected of Having Sex, Human Rights Watch Says >Sri Lanka, an island nation of 21 million people, criminalizes “carnal intercourse against the order of nature” and “gross indecency between persons.” >The law emanates from Sections 365 and 365A of the Penal Code, which the British passed in 1883 during its colonial rule. >Police say that the shape of the anus, as well as the “tone” of the anal sphincter, will determine whether or not suspects had engaged in receptive anal sex — an outdated theory medical authorities have dismissed. https://nextshark.com/sri-lanka-police-anally-torture-whip-gay-men-suspected-of-having-sex-human-rights-watch-says/ Why are these island mudpeople more based than their ancient aryan masters?
>>11311 I'm thinking it's a politically-motivated twisting of history for people to claim that ancient Aryans in India and elsewhere were "pro-gay" in any way. Usually they appeal to the fact that fags appear in literature occasionally, or that someone is described as a fag to show that it was prevalent - which is a bad way to go about it, I think. It is like with ancient Greece, it was far from unanimous, and the presence of homosexuality there to an extent was far from anything like the utter depravity that we see today (not to downplay what happened in Greece, btw, it's still degenerate)
>>9390 Interesting structure for a book. What is it? >>9398 Perhaps because he's the equivalent of an alpha male, a sort of lord, so polygamy appears natural. It would not be unnatural for an Aryan king to have concubines either. Monogamy is the major bond type in our societies but it should not forbid what allows people of superior quality to breed more.
>>11321 >Interesting structure for a book. What is it? The Tattvartha Sutra. https://archive.org/details/thatwhichistattvarthasutranathamalatatia_202003_432_M/page/n11/mode/2up I have always said that monogamy is a form of marriage based around the female and her needs. It is a form of egalitarianism in marriage and suppresses the birth-rate of the superior elements of society (which are almost always numerically inferior too!)
>>9462 >it kind of is a divine revelation. the tirthankara dedicates their life to spiritual practice and acheives perfection, liberation, and becomes omniscient. by acheiving omniscience they become an authority to teach religion, so the information we have today is seen have come from mahavira, an omniscient being. I do not buy it one minute. Omniscience is not an attribute accessible to humans. It would mean this individual knows everything at any time, which could be quickly verified by checking if he knows what you're thinking, knows about your life, what you have in your pocket, what goes on at the surface of Jupiter, the exact weight of all matter in our solar system, etc. >jainism seems to be more like mankind before the AI war/warp rift that destroyed humanities galactic empire and birthed slaanesh and vedic religion seems more like the post horus heresy imperium of man if you catch the reference. Pardon me? Is that another teaching? >the universe is here and always has been, no being created it or maintains it and no explanation is needed for its existence. Ontologically, a purposeless universe is a troubling idea. >the vedics have their puranas and all claim they are perfect No religion can be perfect unfortunately. It would be like cheating. In fact, from the jainist perspective, even having a religion is cheating, based on what you said about advanced ascetics calling on superior minds for knowledge gifts. >karma I prefer that which didn't consider it as a form of quantity wherein the less there is, the better the individual, but more as a measurement tool, so it can be rather dark or bright. >>9611 >In vedic culture out of the four varnas the kshatriya varna is the only one that is forbidden to take sannyasi, renouncing the world. this restriction is not in jain religion A renouncing kshatriya would logically stop being a true kshatriya. If he were capable of pure spiritual search, he'd even be considered a brahmin. >the jain mahapurana describes the kshatriya as the best and foremost of all races Evola might like this. An actionless life, an extremely passive one, really does sound like a corruption of the premise of life and existence. I think it should be about a healthy diet, with action and thought. If all that was required was thinking, then incarnation would not even be a thing. To which Gnostics will jump in and say that we weren't meant to be stuck in bodies. >>According to Vedic injunctions there are six kinds of aggressors This is very limited, almost to the point of being stupid. What if a house is destroyed through a bulldozer? What is kids are kidnapped? Others are so vague such as the one about poison where anything could be figuratively declared poisonous. >>9624 That's uncalled for.
>>9732 Agreed. We can at least start with our own lives and look into the astronomy correspondence to our birth dates. Combining this our parents' own astronomical realities would perhaps also help in building a greater picture of our own paths.
>>11314 I meant moreso in comparison to modern day aryans. >>11325 Theres a guy in the book thread who just dropped a bunch of pro-monogamy stuff. I saw it and was wondering if polygamy vs monogamy would be a thread worthy topic. Im personally in favor of allowing polygamy (within marriage) but i havent heard many arguments for either.
>>11332 I saw that list of pro-monogamy stuff too. I had considered responding but refrained for whatever reason. It's definitely a worthy topic of discussion, but I'm unsure whether it would be worth its own thread, or whether it would be better in the existing woman thread, since we would be talking about multiple wives after all. Lemme know what you think the better option would be and I'll either make a thread or bump one if that's cool with you >in favor of allowing polygamy (within marriage) It definitely has to be clearly separated from "polyamory", which is basically being as promiscuous as possible and sleeping around in an "open relationship". Polygamy, of course, is quite different from this type of relationship, as it is still based on actual marital relationships and involves one man and multiple women.
>>11311 Name a single source mentioning homosexual behavior in a positve light. >>11325 1. There isn't a single example of a long-lasting society bigger than the clan that practiced open polygamy (rather than married men taking on mistresses) without being in a state of endless war on outsiders (made possible by having a deep pool of disposable males and/or being widely hated by outsiders). 2. Women are not monogamous since monogamy requires an authority (if not the king, then her father or other leading male relative) telling who she can't interact with. Women want to be taken by the deadliest male in her sphere. If left to her own devices and she's not too old/fat/otherwise undesirable she will offer her ass and tits to all the males she sees who aren't her immediate blood relatives with those same males murdering each-other.
>>11366 Polygamy is the only way. Only the fittest of the fit will be permitted to have more than one wife though – the aristocrats of nature. This is a morality of improvement to adopt. There are winners and losers. Incels are garbage-tier males. Historically far more women reproduced then men. Men are the disposable sex if you really think about it. Women are irreplaceable. >without being in a state of endless war on outsiders (made possible by having a deep pool of disposable males and/or being widely hated by outsiders). “Eternal peace is a dream --and not even a beautiful one. War is part of God's world-order. Within it unfold the noblest virtues of men, courage and renunciation, loyalty to duty and readiness for sacrifice--at the hazzard of one's life. Without war the world would sink into a swamp of materialism” >Women are not monogamous It was never claimed that women are “monogamous”, it was said that monogamous marriages are geared towards the female, and not the man. The reproductive needs of a womam are satisfied by a single man. The aim of Nature is to bring about the greatest possible increase in the species, and the job falls on the male, hence a man could easily beget over one hundred children in a year with no physical difficulty to himself, while a woman cannot bear more than a single pregnancy a year. Therefore, artificially restraining males to monogamy is quite contrary to Nature. Women are hypergamous, i.e. they flock to males of high social status. Women aren’t as jealous as men either. This is why harems exist, and this why groupies follow around celebrities and other high status males. Once again, we see the natural order at work. Many women, one men. This is why polyandry is literally almost non-existent as a practice. No man wants to share his wife’s pussy with other “husbands”, plus men care much less about the social status of their prospective wives. Women live life on tutorial mode. They just have to exist and still have almost infinite SMV.
>>11368 >Historically far more women reproduced then men Dubious statistics that conflates access to decent women with reproducing. >Only the fittest of the fit will be permitted to have more than one wife though – the aristocrats of nature. And you can't find any societies with such who were beyond the Bronze Age without being the likes of Muslims. >Incels are garbage-tier males "incels" are impossible in a non-industrial society with enforced monogamy (including no criminalizing of fathers or brothers killing unwanted males for not staying away from their daughters/sisters), no mass public lewdness (pornography, yoga pants), legalized prostitution. >Women are irreplaceable. Strictly speaking that only applies to women who are fertile. Which is far more limited than you think since women peak in fertitilty at age 12-14 and never get it higher. >“Eternal peace is a dream --and not even a beautiful one. War is part of God's world-order. Within it unfold the noblest virtues of men, courage and renunciation, loyalty to duty and readiness for sacrifice--at the hazzard of one's life. Without war the world would sink into a swamp of materialism” Meanwhile societies like Achmed's reliably lose wars since they lack the societal cohesion to triumph from all the men more or less being too busy trying to muh dik each-other's women. >It was never claimed that women are “monogamous”, it was said that monogamous marriages are geared towards the female, and not the man. If what you said was the case feminists wouldn't be so hostile to the institution of marriage. A non-clannish society absent of keeping itself in a state of war on war needs monogamy to ensure that enough of its men have a stake in society from just getting access to decent women but being able both keep them and trust their neighbors to not try to poach from them. >Therefore, artificially restraining males to monogamy is quite contrary to Nature. It's more about restraining females than males. >Women are hypergamous, i.e. they flock to males of high social status. They let whoever are the most available males who register to them as the biggest and baddest take them as their pimps (providing resources and protection from other males) absent of shaming or threats of violence. The "most alpha" male in America is the US government to the White American Female but since she can't get fucked by every man in there she'll get fucked by whoever the Deep State wants her to (like Blacks). And absent of that, she'll strut around offering her goods around men with the men all fighting each-other until a victor claims her. Monogamy avoids the above by having one authority distribute women to trusted men or at least screen men before letting the women leave with any of them. >Women aren’t as jealous as men either. They are. Women channel it through passive-aggression and insults rather than direct murder. >This is why harems exist, and this why groupies follow around celebrities and other high status males. It shows that the highest quality women would rather be a backup bitch for a rockstar or George Clooney in his prime than settle down with men they see as beneath them.
>>11281 I think there's a small amount of congenital homosexuality regardless. however, I agree that environment/sociology play a large role in the rise of sexual deviancy.
>>11380 >Strictly speaking that only applies to women who are fertile. Which is far more limited than you think since women peak in fertitilty at age 12-14 and never get it higher. This is some mental gymnastics. If a woman can have children she's fertile. Women can easily have children well after 14 lol.
>>11404 Nice try simp, but women past the age of 25 have a major loss in reproductive ability. Non-degenerate societies had women already having babies well before age 25. A women no younger than 25 is reproductively garbage and would be designated to spinsterhood with appropriate shaming and duties.
>>11380 >And you can't find any societies with such who were beyond the Bronze Age without being the likes of Muslims. Addressed in the polygamy thread. Still, it is irrelevant. >Strictly speaking that only applies to women who are fertile. Which is far more limited than you think since women peak in fertitilty at age 12-14 and never get it higher. Obviously. Being non-fertile is useless from the perspective of Nature. I'm very much redpilled on the age of consent. >Meanwhile societies like Achmed's reliably lose wars since they lack the societal cohesion to triumph from all the men more or less being too busy trying to muh dik each-other's women. Societal cohesion doesn't matter when technological and racial superiority are the real deciding factors in wars. Also, adultery is not tolerated in Islamic societies. Here is what adulterers get: https://hoodsite.com/man-found-guilty-adultery-stoned-death-afghanistan/ >If what you said was the case feminists wouldn't be so hostile to the institution of marriage. "Geared towards the female" doesn't mean "favored by the female". >It's more about restraining females than males. Easily done with polygamy as well, indeed is preferable in this instance as well, as the woman is not seen as an "equal partner" with the man, but is one of a small number of women. Women are easily restrained when there are not gay laws against slapping / spanking your wife. >They are. Women channel it through passive-aggression and insults rather than direct murder. Obviously not enough as to where they mind sharing partners.
>>11409 25 is a long ways past 14
>>11417 >Addressed in the polygamy thread. Still, it is irrelevant. Okay have fun in Africa then. >Societal cohesion doesn't matter when technological and racial superiority are the real deciding factors in wars. >societal cohesion has nothing to do with technology and race Ever notice how the industrial and scientific revolutions happened in Europe and not Achmedland. >Also, adultery is not tolerated in Islamic societies And yet they're still impotent when not used as a weapon by Globohomo. >"Geared towards the female" doesn't mean "favored by the female". Women do not have loyalty to their society, merely their immediately blood. Monogamy requires them to use their bodies in service to the whole of society. >Obviously not enough as to where they mind sharing partners. They only "don't mind" when they sense they're out of options (too old, too overweight, too many men they despise) and see being a backup bitch to some gangbanger or drug lord is better than eating the cum of some incel in an office.
>>11430 >societal cohesion has nothing to do with technology and race Strawman. I never used this phrasing. You can be a cohesive, close-knit society and not be technologically advanced. In fact, industrialization has led to the disintegration of natural social bonds and the family structure. This problem has been exacerbated by the Jews. >And yet they're still impotent when not used as a weapon by Globohomo. That's not the point. >They only "don't mind" when they sense they're out of options (too old, too overweight, too many men they despise) and see being a backup bitch to some gangbanger or drug lord is better than eating the cum of some incel in an office. Backup bitch? Are we even talking about polygamy anymore? I'm not talking about fornicators.
>>11206 That was a good video. It shows that he's really up-to-date on the problem if he's aware of incels and MGTOW. A more Vedic perspective would have been nice, but in general he was speaking very accurately, I think, on the destruction of the family, the attacking of the very idea of masculinity, and the undermining of fathers. Him making the analogy between the father and the military of a nation was a very interesting analogy. I was surprised to see him even know about accelerationism, honestly.
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Is this you Jain anon? I was casually browsing cuckchan and even the typing style made me think of your posts
>>11311 >>Police say that the shape of the anus, as well as the “tone” of the anal sphincter, will determine whether or not suspects had engaged in receptive anal sex maybe they should be investigating the dudes that carry out this work >>11314 to my knowledge there is a verse somewhere saying that if you do gay shit you have to take a bath with your clothes on(????). there is also a temple (maybe more than one) where all kinds of sex acts are depicted that may include homos and bestiality, i think the muslims are credited with destroying some of these. from what i have read in vedic literatures (not much) the topic and sexual ethics in general isnt really talked about. in puranas i dont think theres every been a gay character though which i think confirms that outside of some degenerate offshoots of vedic religion which didnt last into today the behavior of homosex wasnt encouraged. arsha bodha center guy has a video on this, but hes definetly leftwing pozzed. maybe even gay too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9q2jnRPp_4 >>11330 >I do not buy it one minute. Omniscience is not an attribute accessible to humans. this attribute wouldnt come from the persons humanity it would come from them transcending any bodily form and fully identifying as an immortal soul. >It would mean this individual knows everything at any time, which could be quickly verified by checking if he knows what you're thinking, knows about your life, what you have in your pocket, what goes on at the surface of Jupiter, the exact weight of all matter in our solar system, etc. yes. these tirthankars give information about the size and shape of the universe, particle physics, information about the gods and demons and they are to be believed based on the claim they are omniscient. >Pardon me? Is that another teaching? its a reference to warhammer 40k >Ontologically, a purposeless universe is a troubling idea. i would have to agree. i cant really agree with the jain idea of there not being a brahman or creator god. if you are going to believe that the body has a soul why is it so hard to believe that the universe itself as a soul? >I prefer that which didn't consider it as a form of quantity wherein the less there is, the better the individual, but more as a measurement tool, so it can be rather dark or bright. they divide karma into harmful and beneficial categories. >>11471 >A more Vedic perspective would have been nice, this would have been more authoritative and permanent. everything he said in the video isnt going to be recorded as shastra and shared by sages, it can be ignored by others. i like to use the samkhya philosophy of purusha and prakriti as a reference for gender identity, but its really not meant for that even though its occasionlly mentioned those two principles are also the masculine and feminine. >>11483 lol, no. i cant believe theres another anon who knows about jainism though. its super underrated, it hasnt gotten enough attention. too many people think its a branch of hinduism or scoff at it because its associated with prakrit and not sanskrit and rejects the vedas, so therefore it has to be dravidian. truth is though that gods suspected to be dravidian influences wont appear in jain lore. from what ive seen references to indra are plenty. as for the vedas they dont outright reject them, rather they claim the vedas are not eternal and written by god they just believe that the vedas were written by humans (one of their guys actually) and have since been modified. i dont know why their work is mostly in prakrit though. maybe as an oral tradition they didnt write things down until sanskrit had already become prakrit. theres a user here who might chime in to say its dravidian because its classified as srmanic and nastika, but can you imagine ancient abbos built temples like this?
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>>11492 >to my knowledge there is a verse somewhere saying that if you do gay shit you have to take a bath with your clothes on I've read that in the Laws of Manu I believe. There is another verse which is a little more strict though. It says something about a loss of caste. I'll have to dig it up. >yes. these tirthankars give information about the size and shape of the universe, particle physics, information about the gods and demons and they are to be believed based on the claim they are omniscient. So how literally are the claims to the size and nature of the universe to be taken (pics)? Just like with Hinduism, they speak of Jambudvipa in the center of the universe, ringed by an ocean of salt, and surrounded by another landmass, and it goes on from there for some great distant. It seems quite at odds with what (((science))) tells us. Do people really knock Jain literature for being in Prakrit and not Sanskrit? That's silly to me. Prakrits are just descendants or vernaculars of Sanskrit to my understanding, just like Pali for the Buddhists. > its dravidian because its classified as srmanic and nastika Also silly, to me. I mean, both Mahavira and Siddharta Gautama were Kshatriyas if I recall correctly. I don't think that nastika or sramanic ideas are automatically associated with the Dravidians. I mean, what is inherently Dravidian about renunciation, ascetic practices and other things so associated with sramana? Some of these ideas could be found in ancient Greece among some. Though I think I'm preaching to the choir here. Also, beautiful temples.
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>>11495 >>11495 >So how literally are the claims to the size and nature of the universe to be taken (pics)? pajeets discuss this on quora. there is a theory out there that maybe the book is talking about islands and oceans as allegories for galaxies and such, bringing it inline with modern ideas of the universe. jain ideas can be backed up by a lot of intense analytical thought and reasoning, but when it comes to their cosmology they seem to have neglected it. its presented as is without as much philosophical explanation/justification. maybe while jains were used to being challenged on their other theories, nobody challenged them on cosmology and time cycle so arguments justifying it arent there. >Do people really knock Jain literature for being in Prakrit and not Sanskrit? That's silly to me. >I don't think that nastika or sramanic ideas are automatically associated with the Dravidians. it goes into aryan invasion theory. that the aryans brought the vedas with them and the sanskrit language, so prakrit would be post sanskrit, post vedic, post aryan, it would be dravidian. a user here in this thread said julius evola wrote this. >Also silly, to me. I mean, both Mahavira and Siddharta Gautama were Kshatriyas if I recall correctly. i dont know the sources but buddha is supposed to have been a White man, most of the tirthankaras are described as golden colored. 2 of them are described as black and 2 as blue, but in these two paintings there are 2 green ones and 2 blue ones. i have a theory that the krishna as meaning black has been mistranslated and it just means dark blue, the green i dont know about. >I mean, what is inherently Dravidian about renunciation, ascetic practices and other things so associated with sramana? Some of these ideas could be found in ancient Greece among some. Though I think I'm preaching to the choir here. exactly. these are the complete opposite of nigger subhuman tier behavior. if they were even capable of creating a religion at all, it wouldNT have been this one lol.
I thought that these passages addressed some themes that we had been discussing recently, such as the abilities of the gods to appear and change form at will, and the idea that during the kali yuga the sensory levels of humans has declined and the gods and other beings have curtailed their communication with Earth. The source is this book on Vedic astronomy: https://archive.org/details/vedic-cosmography-and-astronomy-richard-l-thompson/mode/2up
>>11012 Check out this video for for a good video on Vedic flat earth if you're into that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYIzDSJg8s8
>>11575 Over two hours? I’m curious what the heck he’ll spend all that time on, especially if he’s just gonna be re-iterating stuff on Bhu-mandala and the like
their cosmology is crazy and really interesting but tbh the prevailing theories of modern science are a lot easier to believe than any of this lol.
>>11575 dude this video is cringe. https://youtu.be/DYIzDSJg8s8?t=4302 he mixes up the kalis too. did you watch this whole thing before posting it?
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>>11578 Check out that book my Richard L. Thompson that I linked here >>11508. He approaches Vedic cosmology (especially that from the fifth canto of the SB from a much more grounded perspective). He doesn't fall into crude literalism (in the sense that the Earth is flat and we're literally a peninsula on Jambudvipa and that all of this can be detected with our five senses). From what I've read in the book so far, there are regions of this earth not accessible to our senses, especially in the Kali Yuga. Thompson takes the position that though many of the statements may seem fantastical or hard-to-comprehend, they nevertheless present a realistic and understandable description of the universe. It's important to remember that before modernity, at least for Christians but I'm sure with other traditions as well, they were not braindead literalists. Statements within holy texts could refer to both literal, symbolic and spiritual meanings, or were analogical and imperfect descriptions of realms of existence described via descriptions of things on Earth. We'd be given a picture that's accurate in a sense, but not strictly so.
>>11609 >>11609 Their accents are so thick that it's hard to follow. The one girl obviously asked about aboriginals in India. Then the speaker lady mentions Harappa and Mohenjo-daro. She says that on some seals discovered at one of those sites apparently the name of Rishabhadeva was found on. So apparently according to her these were the original places were Sramanic culture developed? So she's equating Sramanic culture with Dravidian culture, and it was the Aryans who came later with a much different "loka-dṛṣṭi" (worldview), especially when it comes to creation. I did a bit of looking around afterwords, not too deep, I can't find shit about evidence for tirthankara iconography in Mohenjo-Daro or Harappa.
>>11610 i was asking because it seems like she brought up aryan invasion theory and then there was a subtle bit of chaos to try and put that back into the bottle. but yeah the english is to bad to tell.
>>11612 Oh, yeah, I watched onto that part a bit as well. I found it very hard to follow as well, that's why I didn't mention it really kek. From what I picked up, she talked about Indra and how he has been described as a "destroyer of dams" and a "destroyer of cities" - apparently this is in reference to Indra / invading Aryans clashing with the existing Dravidian cultures or settlements of the Subcontinent. Then someone asked the source, and she replied "the Vedas".
>>11380 >Strictly speaking that only applies to women who are fertile. Which is far more limited than you think since women peak in fertitilty at age 12-14 and never get it higher. I think we found the local pedo.
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>>11628 He's right though.
>>11614 is she saying jainism is (gasp) dravidian? i wont believe it. the tirthankaras are golen colored, niggers cant make a written language much less a civilization or "fortress" and they certainly would never create a religion obsessed with purity. either jainism and vedic peoples were originally one people, or there were already Whites living in the area, meaning the dravidians might not even be as native to the area as we thought. >>11628 >>11630 from what ive read i think they considered 16 to be the peak of youth and beauty for either gender.
>>11669 I’m willing to accept the fact that non-Whites there had some *rudimentary* stuff set up before the Aryans conquered them and truly made their civilization flourish, but I definitely don’t buy this theory that this lady is pushing that Jainism is somehow Dravidian. For one, both Buddhism and Jainism originated in the kshatriya milieu. Mahavira was from a royal house in northern India of course, all the texts are in an Indo-European language, not Dravidian. Literature in Dravidian languages didn’t really become a thing for centuries, and we would think that if this new religion was Dravidian, it would be far more obvious. Typical “we wuz Aryans” rhetoric. >from what ive read i think they considered 16 to be the peak of youth and beauty for either gender. I have some infograph on girls that demonstrates this. I think it was set a year or two earlier, but you’re basically right. I will have to find it tomorrow.
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Interesting in Hinduism but how would a convert choose between Vaishnavism and Shivism
>>11762 I've read an interesting thing that said that there are basically three primary spiritual paths (tri-marga) in Vedic spirituality >Vaishnava-marga >Shaiva-marga >Shakta-marga The different paths have different goals. From how I've seen it explained, the Vaishnava path has the highest goal in its sight, i.e. ultimate communion with the Absolute Supreme Godhead. The Shaiva path apparently is aimed at achieving an isolated realization of the internal self as atman, while the Shakta path is more focused on the material and the energies flowing through it. A Vaishnava wrote this description though, so others may disagree, but I thought it was an interesting approach to the internal diversity of Hinduism that went a long way to reconciling many of the differences. It would depend on what your goal is, it seems.
>>11630 U serious? 12, she has barely started maturing. 14, she's still not there yet. 16-22, or perhaps 18-20, is truly the peak. On average people start ageing at 24 or 25, but a girl's body is fully shaped around 18 although some achieve this at 16 years of age.
>>11786 A Womans fertility peaks at 14 and she is more than capable of having a child as early as ten with no issues as it happens quite frequently all over the world, quit buying into bullshit jewish science you fucking nigger.
>>11794 dude im not fucking anything that young though, and i would second guess the humanity of someone that would. i think later sexual maturity is a sign of a more advanced species/culture.
>>11799 >dude im not fucking anything that young though, Dude, I don't care what you will or won't do, your choice is your own. >and i would second guess the humanity of someone that would. Good on you for questioning the humanity of a very large portion of our ancestors. >i think later sexual maturity is a sign of a more advanced species/culture. No it's a sign of a culture soon to be dead because a womans best breeding years are spent twiddling her thumbs instead of breeding, a high age of marriage is a sign of decline as it is a direct result of granting women rights or lets call it what is Feminism.
Many girls peak between 13 and 16. It's appropriate if you think about it, if she attracts a man at that age then she can be in position to start having kids by the time her peak fertility comes around so as not to waste those precious years (16-20) when her kids will be healthiest and there will be the fewest complications. It might be contrary to the morality of today or make me a “pedo” in the eyes of society, but I have complete faith that I am more in tune with the truth than feminists and Jews who want you to marry a thirty-year old who’s hit the wall and will be unable to have children at all within a few years. It’s simply what is in accordance with the Laws of Nature / what is divinely ordained. Our ancestors understood this.
>>11805 Pedo is pre-puberty. Fucking a 16 year old is not an issue. The titless 12 year old is. It's not some binary choice between being a prepubescent pedophile and getting 30 year old hags. >>11794 If you fuck a 10 year old you deserve to get shot. Even puberty is not enough for you creeps. You keep pushing down the age, the slippery slope is real. Funny enough the kikes are into the same shit and are pushing it too. Pedo comments are perfectly at home on reddit whereas advocating for your racial interest will be insta-banned. Really makes you think. It's too bad that pedos are given a platform it's a perfect nose under the camel's tent.
>>11813 >Pedo comments are perfectly at home on reddit Is not Reddit full to the brim with feminists and soyboys of all varieties who will freak out if a man in his twenties even finds a 17-year old desirable? Reddit is pro-child molestation, not pro-early marriage – which is pro-White and wholesome. This is the exact thing that Christians and Feminists ended >It's not some binary choice between being a prepubescent pedophile and getting 30 year old hags. Obviously, this is what normalfags will say though.
>>11813 >If you fuck a 10 year old you deserve to get shot. Never said I was going to, or recommended it, but thank you for assuming the worst about me, really makes your argument SUUUUUUPER sound. >Even puberty is not enough for you creeps. You keep pushing down the age, the slippery slope is real. I have never moved my thought or policy on Age Of Consent To Marry, which in my opinion should be 14, no more no less and if a father should decide to marry his daughter off earlier the state should be there to make sure it is aboveboard. >Funny enough the kikes are into the same shit and are pushing it too. The kikes are into abusing children and getting away with it, not taking a whores rights away and handing them over to her father who will marry her off young to a good man who will take care of her preventing her from corrupting society because she will be barefoot and pregnant until she cannot have any more children. >Pedo comments are perfectly at home on reddit whereas advocating for your racial interest will be insta-banned. Really makes you think. No it doesn't make me think, reddit is a kike platform and always has been and the other anon who responded to you is right about it's userbase and in his analysis of them. >It's too bad that pedos are given a platform it's a perfect nose under the camel's tent. What the fuck are you even saying?
>>11841 If you're going to mention 10 year olds being able to get pregnant sometimes while advocating for early marriage you can't be surprised and offended when people get the wrong idea. You know damn well that a lot of the people advocating for "early marriage" are sickos that wank off to prepubescent porn and possibly even act on it in real life, ruining the lives of children. If you share a camp with what if baby consents pedos with overlapping rhetoric and want to be taken seriously maybe you should clearly say what the line is between you and them. Otherwise it really sounds like you are saying one thing out of one corner of your mouth and another thing out of the other corner. Like you want to be taken seriously but you keep hedging with comments about 10 year olds, marriage younger than 14 in some cases etc when it's easy to find others saying the same thing as you but 1 year earlier, and another the same thing but 1 year earlier than that. The slippery slope is real and people pick up on that even if you can find some resonance in a small echo chamber and lose perspective. Where do you stand? Where is the firm line where you start bashing skulls? Do you even have one?
>>11852 >If you're going to mention 10 year olds being able to get pregnant sometimes while advocating for early marriage you can't be surprised and offended when people get the wrong idea. It’s just a fact though, how you react to it is up to you, and you’ve chosen to sperg out. Wikipedia is able to provide dozens of reported cases of ten-year olds having babies. It is possible, plain and simple. Now whether having a pregnancy at that age is exactly healthy is another question. The rest of your post is just hysteria not even worth addressing. You seem like you post in the polygamy thread too, because monogamy fags seem to have their own predetermined idea of what exactly their opponents think and believe, and refuse to change their outlook in even face of being told otherwise, just like you are doing now with your bizarre rants about babies consenting to sex — what on earth does this have to do with early marriage? Child marriage / early marriage is just marriage before the age before the age of eighteen. Hitler was in favor of it, and for very good reasons. A girl should be married off slighty after the onset of puberty, more specifically after menarche. In fact the very idea that this is controversial is another proof of clownworld
>>11852 >If you're going to mention 10 year olds being able to get pregnant sometimes while advocating for early marriage you can't be surprised and offended when people get the wrong idea. I am neither surprised nor offended that you are an idiot and can't see what that was brought up to point out, which was that posters ignorance of science and apparently of natural law. it is pretty clear from exactly what I said that it was not brought up to recommend or advocate for fucking a ten year old. >You know damn well that a lot of the people advocating for "early marriage" are sickos that wank off to prepubescent porn and possibly even act on it in real life, ruining the lives of children. No, I have no clue if thats the case, i assume nothing about anyone in a place where ideas reign supreme and identity has nothing to do with it, nor would I care if it were claimed that it was the case unless someone could prove that that was the case by somehow identifying or doxing a given Blackshirt or other Anon. >If you share a camp with what if baby consents pedos with overlapping rhetoric and want to be taken seriously maybe you should clearly say what the line is between you and them. I don't share a case with them, that is a strawman and/or intentional misinterpretation of my case and you know it is, or you wouldn't post bullshit in picture form. >Otherwise it really sounds like you are saying one thing out of one corner of your mouth and another thing out of the other corner. No that is you, arguing i'm a pedo with no proof, based on a factual assertion alone, one that had ABSOLUTELY no recommendation for anything other than KNOWING THE FACTS. >Like you want to be taken seriously but you keep hedging with comments about 10 year olds, marriage younger than 14 in some cases etc. My case is now and has always been that state intervention should be used to assure that all is aboveboard should anyone below 14 be set to be married off, but the decision to marry a girl off is her fathers no more no less, I wish I had archived the OG unpopular opinions thread because I layed out my entire argument for early marriage and nobody was able to argue it down, at all. >it's easy to find others saying the same thing as you but 1 year earlier, and another the same thing but 1 year earlier than that. The slippery slope is real and people pick up on that even if you can find some resonance in a small echo chamber and lose perspective. I know the slippery slope is real, you dumb fucking nigger, I am living in the Kali Yuga watching it happen real time, what I advocate for is a move forward through the darkness to the golden age beyond where MORAL relations between men and women are possible again of any age, because we have all stopped being such soft-skinned feminine paranoid faggots about PEDOPHILES to such a level that fathers have been approached by police for playing with their daughters in public parks. >Where do you stand? Where is the firm line where you start bashing skulls? Do you even have one? It should be quite clear where I stand, a that I have a line and the line where I start bashing skulls is where abuse is found. Keep the insults and Ad Hominems to 4cuck.
What do you guys think of Zoroastrianism? Aryan religious reformation or proto-christcuckinity?
>>11877 I wouldn’t call Zoroastrianism pro-Abrahamic per se, but it does have some features that exist in modern day Abrahamic religions such as linear time, a final paradise and hellfire, etc. I think the real problem begins with the Jews though. They are the ones who adopted aspects of Zoroastrian thought into their own native Jewish religion, probably during their captivity in Babylon. From what I have seen, the religion was not really close to what we understand about monotheistic devotion today. Ahura Mazda himself belonged to a class of divinities and sat at the top of the pantheon, and the religion drew on some existing Indo-Iranian concepts such as Rta or the Cosmic Order (Dharma) and its opposite Anrta, Falsehood, the Lie, etc. This was Asha versus Druj in Zoroastrianism, and the dualism took on a life of its own. It’s also interesting in the screenshots that I have provided that the author claims Zoroastrianism did NOT have a dualism of spirit and matter that saw spirit as good and matter as evil, and that the world is a creation of Ahura Mazda or through his creative aspect / emanation Spenta Mainyu
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>>11936 You're not a true DharmaNation fan if you didn't listen to all 108 repepitions AUUUMMMMMM NAMO NAAAAAARAAAAAAYANAYA
>>458 a Buddhist parable: >At one time the tail and the head of a snake quarreled as to which should be the front. The tail said to the head: -- "You are always taking the lead; it is not fair, you ought to let me lead sometimes." The head answered; -- "It is the law of our nature that I should be the head; I can not change places with you." >But the quarrel went on and one day the tail fastened itself to a tree and thus prevented the head from proceeding. When the head became tired with the struggle the tail had its own way, with the result that the snake fell into a pit of fire and perished. >In the world of nature there always exists an appropriate order and everything has its own function. If this order is disturbed, the functioning is interrupted and the whole order will go to ruin.
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>>12070 That's a very nice parable, I'm sure I will be utilizing that one myself in the future. Honestly I don't know why there isn't more Buddhism discussion here. I've been reading a few things here and there on Theravada Buddhism from Access to Insight (many random sutras), and I see a lot of good stuff there that Whites can benefit from. When we read sutras which talk of Arahats being wholly unafraid in the face of death, or having no anguish at physical pain, I don't doubt that these are not exaggerations.
>>12070 >>12074 Very interesting. Reminds me of how different races are good at some things and bad at other things.
should i become buddhist or sanatana dharmist? why choose one over the other? how do i even decided for myself?
>>12142 The best thing to do is to keep reading on everything, and to see what is in your opinion most inline with the nature of reality. It's a non-answer in a way, but really the best way.
>>12074 it uses a straightforward analogy to explain why the natural order is correct, and how attempting to subvert it in the name of 'fairness' and 'equality' is foolish and destructive. I transcribed it from a book I've been reading recently: The Teaching of Buddha, distributed by Bukkyo Dendo Kyokai (BDK). I recommend it, it has a very Pure Land/Mahayana slant, but otherwise it's a great distillation of the essential concepts. >>12098 there are a number of viable spiritual paths, each one best suited to certain individuals and societies. Buddhism seems to fit the East Asian character, but it shouldn't be exclusive to them by any means. as a religion, it has a philosophical outlook, and it's Dharmic, which means it lacks the bigotry of Abrahamism, and can adapt and coexist with other traditions. overall, a based alternative. I think the ideal religion for Whites would be a revived Paganism. it has deep folkish roots for us, and fits better than the levantine, semitic Christianity which was later grafted onto Western culture.
>>12236 >there are a number of viable spiritual paths, each one best suited to certain individuals and societies. Do you have more information on this?
>>12236 Yes, some sort of Paganism is necessary. I don't know exactly what form it would take, but Abrahamism has got to go. Things like the worship of the sun, things like gods which represented the natural forces of the world around us, and the universe, is much more healthy, realistic and beautiful than anti-national Spiritual Semitism. The fact that they are not explicitly man-centered is of course another positive, as we have seen the damage that man-centered (and Jew-centered) religions have brought to mankind. I think that many aspects of Buddhism are quite healthy for a society, but I don't view it in any sort of dogmatic way. Like as we saw in Japan (with the idea of honji suijaku, etc), and like you've said yourself, it is completely reconcilable with native traditions. Buddhism is of a wholly instrumental value, you dump the raft when you don't need it.
>>12240 I don't have specific recommendations, it's just a general observation I've made. major world religions differ in their character and temperament, and the same is true of race and culture. as a result, certain religions tend to be bound up with a certain race/culture. for example, Hinduism is another Dharmic religion that has some decent qualities, but it's very tied up with the Indian people and their traditions, and I doubt it could be exported very effectively. in another thread, I saw anons praising Islam, since it has some strengths (in spite of being Abrahamic), but as I said at the time, the temperament and character of Islam is simply incongruent to Western civilization. >>12258 indeed, worship of nature (and the natural order which governs it) is far better than worshipping a man, or a text, or a deity that is in opposition to nature. >Buddhism is of a wholly instrumental value, you dump the raft when you don't need it. correct, and there's a major difference between this vs embracing arbitrary laws for the sake of laws, which is the typical Pharisaic/Talmudic mindset. Buddhism is a superior alternative to Abrahamism, and we would do well to study and encourage it. but ultimately, I believe Pagan revivalism is the best path forward.
>>12279 >in another thread, I saw anons praising Islam, since it has some strengths (in spite of being Abrahamic), but as I said at the time, the temperament and character of Islam is simply incongruent to Western civilization. Praise of Islam is only warranted when it comes to very specific aspects. For example, I do admire the fighting spirit that Islam is able to rouse in its most devoted adherents, just as I do when looking at the most dedicated Japanese in WWII. Overall though, as it goes without saying, Islam is at its core a gentile-version of legalistic Judaism, even moreso than Christianity. I found it interesting to see while reading portions of Schopenhauer's The World as Will and Representation that he explicitly brushed aside Islam as a form of Judaism. This isn't strictly accurate, of course, but compared to Christianity, it is an accurate characterization (not that Christianity isn't even more harmful in other ways). >but ultimately, I believe Pagan revivalism is the best path forward. I agree that this must be the core. Though I like many aspects of Buddhism, and though we have just of course agreed on the instrumental nature of it, one criticism I do have is the fact that it is ultimately non-national. I wouldn't say "anti-national", but it is certainly not contingent on a nation (in the true ethnic sense, not a specific state) in the same way ancient European pagan religions were, and in the way that Shinto is today. Ultimately Abrahamic religions create a divided loyalty between the Volk and the religious community. In contrast to this, we have the concept of Saisei-itchi in Japan, where religion and government are one, and that religion is not some vague slave moralizing religion of humanity, but the national religious beliefs and customs of a specific Volk. There was of course no secularism in Rome or in the ancient Greek cities either. It is foreign to the pagan worldview.
>>12279 What about the Spanish and the Portuguese who are traditionally Roman Catholics? Wouldn't that go against the grain as it's Abrahamism?
>>12279 >s very tied up with the Indian people and their traditions Who cares? They can worship what they want. It's not like they're Muslims going ALALALALALA BOOM.
>>12298 If it's Abrahamic, it's gotta go. I don't know how, but it will have to happen. >>12313 His point was that being so tied up with India it may not be a good religion to spread around the world or try to use.
>>12326 I saw there's a minority in Spain that practice paganism like the revival of Druidry in Galicia due to their Celtic ancestors.
>>12332 I wonder how they stand on the racial and national questions, though. That's the great split in paganism. On the one hand we have this real degenerate or wishy-washy paganism which is just like a little subculture you can join and attach yourself to at will, and then we have real Völkisch beliefs who are much more in accordance with the views of our ancestors in many ways.
>>12313 An impersonal appropriation would be superior to a theistic personal pure adaptation for this reason.
>>12283 it's true, Buddhism makes a universal appeal, just not to the extent of Abrahamism. in Japan, they work around this by combining Buddhism with Shinto, the latter being a Folkish Pagan tradition particular to the Japanese. I think Shinto represents what Western Paganism could have been if it had survived the ravages of Abrahamism, and what it could be if effectively revived. >>12326 >If it's Abrahamic, it's gotta go. I don't know how, but it will have to happen. Christianity has a long, entrenched history in the West, and I doubt it can be uprooted. for better or worse, it's something we'll have to come to terms with. even in the best case scenario, it'll persist as a minority faith. >His point was that being so tied up with India it may not be a good religion to spread around the world or try to use. that was exactly my point. whatever its positive qualities, it's calibrated to a different people, culture and temperament than ours. >>12339 traditional/reconstructionist paganism is the only correct way. other kinds are LARPers making things up as they go along, to a greater or lesser degree.
>>12352 >Christianity has a long, entrenched history in the West, and I doubt it can be uprooted. for better or worse, it's something we'll have to come to terms with. even in the best case scenario, it'll persist as a minority faith. You're 100% right. I guess to elaborate on my thinking in that post, I don't think that we can just stamp out Christianity by force and call it a day. It won't work, and will likely fortify them spiritually if we tried to do so. For Islam and Judaism, not as much of a problem, but in the case of Japan, it was easy to treat Christianity like a disease and stamp it out violently. Japan is an island nation, and far disconnected from Europe, both of which are factors which made containment comparatively easy with what we're faced with today. I don't want to downplay the difficulties too much even there though, because even in something like the Shimabara Rebellion alone, they ended up killing some 30,000+ Christian rebels and then afterwards going into a self-imposed isolation for the next few centuries afterwards. Personally I'm in favor of putting a bit of pressure on Christianity, spreading awareness of its origins and weaknesses, and using that as a chink in its armor in order to inspire people with something newer, truer and more healthy. A Völkisch national community and educational system would go a long way towards doing away with this religion. In general, I honestly think that Christianity has been declining among Europeans for a long time, since the Enlightenment really. Church attendance is down, more and more people don't identify with it, yet people are more miserable and unsatisfied than ever, because empty materialism is just utterly vacuous and unfulfilling. > I think Shinto represents what Western Paganism could have been if it had survived the ravages of Abrahamism, and what it could be if effectively revived. I've thought similar things.
>>12352 >>12357 You deal with Christians in the same way you deal with any traitor, by killing them, we MUST extricate that jewish mind virus entirely or we will end up in this situation once more after a time, it could be 3-400 years sure but they will rise again and they will kill us by putting their jew gods values before those of their people. Enough of this pussy-footing around and going "WAH IT'S TOO HARD TO GET RID OF CHRISTIANITY! IT'S TOO DEEPLY ENTRENCHED! BLAH BALH" No, it isn't, kill them, and do so unfailingly, and do not ally with or group with them. If one comes to you and decides he likes National Socialism, open his mind to Aryanism and "pagan" beliefs and if he abandons the jew god of his own free will, he is an ally, a brother. If not ,when the time comes give him a choice, either abandon the mental jew of Christkikery, or leave, and then when they try to leave, you put a bullet through their head and burn whatever Christian literature they had on them, this is what MUST be done if we are to survive and it must be done with haste on our minecraft server when the shit hits the fan.
>>12350 In English, oh great one.
>>12366 Christianity does need to be destroyed, but I don't think our immediate priority should be dealing with Christians in the event that we are able to attain some degree of state power. So long as Christians do not actively moralcuck us, or stand in our way, I don't care what they believe. I will take a Christian ally any day if they actively identify the problems that we face and speak out against them. In the likely even that they do cuck out, they get ran over. Get out of the way, or get ran over, it's that simple. Many Christians will likely be killed if a White Nationalist government every comes to power, and the scale of resistance will determine the scale of the government response. I'd absolutely love for this post here that I wrote >>12357 to be what happens, as Christianity slowly erodes away and is replaced with a true Völkisch religion of Nature, but I would have no qualms ordering them put in re-education camps, or going full-scale state repression mode if necessary. Just because Christianity has been infecting Christianity for two millennia doesn't mean we will necessary be weak towards it. It's just that we have to be smart in our approach, especially when faced with other major problems facing us that need fixed.
>>12369 >oh great one thank you think of it like dave martel paganism vs varg paganism. where dave martel strictly wants to believe in the europagan pantheon as real beings varg wants to recognize them as symbolic and not strictly literal. personalist vs impersonalist is a schism in vedic religion. prabhupada (and probably dharmanation guy) view impersonalism as the ultimate heresy whereas adi shankara regards it as the true interpretation of vedic religion. there are a lot of problems with trying to transplant vedic personalist fundamentalism onto european peoples and they all boil down to "its clearly indian/dravidian" and not european in spirit, all the way down to indra rides an elephant and vishnu holds a lotus flower (items specific to the area of india and not europe/northamerica). the underlying philosophical ideas of vedic religion about the nature of the self, reality, the order of nature, i think are very sound and are doubtless attractive and compatible with european peoples as evidenced by our fascination with them, but the imagery and the gods and the legends around them arent suitable to our temperament and desires. also another key point is that these philosophical ideas are turned into a moksha oriented religion which is another hurdle ive been thinking about the gravity of lately. the european peoples arent seeking moksha (liberation from material world), i dont think the ancient indo-aryan peoples did either. i suspect a lot of the culture and religion that sprang from the philosophy wasnt so heavily focused around abandoning and become liberated from materiality but that is the aspect of the religion/culture/philosophy that has survived to this day. we can dump out the dravidianized elephant riding lotus holding gods along with any uncomfortable legends surrounding them (particularly the incident between the mohini avatar and shiva) and can keep what i think is a very sound and true philosophy, namely the samkhya school, to guide our race and nations into the vast unknown and uncertainty of the future.
>>12357 historically, one of the few victories against Abrahamism was achieved by the Tokugawa Shogunate, who successfully suppressed Christianity in Edo Japan after it had begun to take root. even so, they weren't able to extirpate it, only drive it underground, where it survived on the margins. as you said, this was after a relatively brief phase of evangelism, in a country long insulated from the West with its own traditions. the persecution was also quite thorough and violent, it had to be in order to achieve its ends. all this speaks to how difficult it is to uproot religious beliefs once they're established. for that reason, I'd be very cautious about any hostility against Christianity. the last attack was the fedora wave years ago, with katana in one hand and Richard Dawkins' God Delusion in the other, and we all know how that turned out. a better strategy would be positive and defensive, rather than negative and aggressive -- focus on reconstructing and expanding Folkish Paganism, make it a viable spiritual path again. from there, I'd expect Christians (especially the more zealous Protestants) to attack first, and then we can engage. >>12366 as I said, Edo Japan was by far the most successful at defeating Abrahamism, with Christianity a small minority religion in Japan to this day, but even there, crypto-Christianity survived. in our situation, I think excessive force would only lead to greater resistance and backlash. better to shift the balance in our favor than go scorched-earth. remember, spiritual power is more potent than temporal power; the sway of great religions has long outlived empires, and the various Roman persecutions of Christianity did not prevent it from eventually subverting and conquering their culture. therefore, if we want to achieve victory against spiritual forces, we need our own spirituality. >>12374 that's another thing, Christianity is not a high priority, there are much bigger fish to fry at the moment.
>>12374 >but I don't think our immediate priority should be dealing with Christians in the event that we are able to attain some degree of state power We should not seek to deal with them after we get state power, but before as the only way we will accomplish this is by creating a state within a state, this "state" we create should exclude Christians and Christian values in every way including but not limited to, killing any practicing Christians amongst it's populace. >So long as Christians do not actively moralcuck us, or stand in our way, I don't care what they believe. This retarded attitude right here is why James Mason is a Cikenigger and why Rome fell to that jewish mind virus, they WILL actively "moralcuck" us, I watch them do so daily on telegram and the pattern is unmistakeable ally with Christians of any stripe and you will be infected and destroyed from the inside by the egalitarianism, miscegenation, and betrayal, inherent to their doctrine. >I will take a Christian ally any day if they actively identify the problems that we face and speak out against them. You shouldn't, because none of them do, they do not follow the 14 words, thus they do not deserve life, or our consideration. They are a problem, I advise avoiding and purging it at all costs, denying it and them any chance to harm our people more. At least, you acknowledge the problem I outline above. >In the likely even that they do cuck out, they get ran over. Get out of the way, or get ran over, it's that simple. Many Christians will likely be killed if a White Nationalist government every comes to power, and the scale of resistance will determine the scale of the government response. They will all be killed then, as there is no other choice for them but to resist with every possible means if they seek to truly follow their jew gods own doctrine. I am saying lets just go all out, fuck them all, steal their whores and use them for breeding purposes and do not give them even a slight chance to harm our race any further. >I'd absolutely love for this post here that I wrote >>12357 to be what happens, as Christianity slowly erodes away and is replaced with a true Völkisch religion of Nature, but I would have no qualms ordering them put in re-education camps, or going full-scale state repression mode if necessary. This is what Hitler had planned, his defeat was a Christian victory, they killed Aryan values, we seek to reawaken them, they will not allow this to occur, giving them the opportunity to stop us by leaving ourselves vulnerable to their depredations is folly of the highest order in my opinion. >Just because Christianity has been infecting Christianity(I think you meant Aryans) for two millennia doesn't mean we will necessary be weak towards it. It's just that we have to be smart in our approach, especially when faced with other major problems facing us that need fixed. They are the source of the problem, the Jewish problem is encompassed by the Christian problem without Christians and specifically Christian Monarchs and Nobles protecting Jews from righteous Aryan wrath we would have exterminated them and probably be much closer to Ethnoglobe than we are now.
>12394 >as I said, Edo Japan was by far the most successful at defeating Abrahamism, with Christianity a small minority religion in Japan to this day, but even there, crypto-Christianity survived. All the more reason to exclude Christians entirely and to stamp on with the force of a thousand suns where ever it crops up. >in our situation, I think excessive force would only lead to greater resistance and backlash. So what? Peace is not what we seek, and the more they fight the more true Aryans must kill they are all Traitors and they get the bullet even before the enemy, Codreanu may have been a Christian but he was right about that. >better to shift the balance in our favor than go scorched-earth. remember, spiritual power is more potent than temporal power; the sway of great religions has long outlived empires, and the various Roman persecutions of Christianity did not prevent it from eventually subverting and conquering their culture. If we want to achieve victory we must do so on both fronts at once, the best way to avoid the poison is to purge it and kill what creates it. >therefore, if we want to achieve victory against spiritual forces, we need our own spirituality. We have it, all one needs to do is look into their hearts for it, and to shake off the yoke of christian values and morals, and then look into what our forefathers prior to Christians believed and the ritual will follow, we cannot win without spirituality nor can we win without the temporal, use them both in equal measure and we cannot be defeated.
So okay the Christians and rabbis are down. Now how to deal with the Hindus, Bhuddists?
>>12405 >hindus We drown them in poo. We create vats of poo with signs that say 3 feet deep, but they are actually 12 ft deep. They climb into the poo pool and cant get back out, like trapping flies in honey. >buddhists We convince them to go full hindu, see above.
>>12399 >They will all be killed then, as there is no other choice for them but to resist with every possible means if they seek to truly follow their jew gods own doctrine That's the thing, I don't even most Christcucks follow this bullshit beyond a very superficial level. Of course, that won't stop them from attempting to moralcuck us when it comes to the point of actually taking any positive action to preserve our people. Then if they get in the way they should simply be run over like I said. At that juncture, they will either choose between their Jewish god or they will choose to act in accordance with the 14 Words which are, like you, literally the only thing that matters. I tend to believe that action is more important than thought, and that only values that we live out have any true value, but this of course does not exclude the Christians from attempting, knowingly or not, to undermine and weaken us with their slave morality. I still think we need to be careful regarding how we deal with them, though. Any prospective organization should certainly bar Christians from leadership and other influential positions if possible in order to make sure the course of the organization was not diverted from from the sole pursuit of Aryan values and the 14 Words. Moralcucks should be expelled as well. The Laws of Nature are the sole guide.
>>12394 >all this speaks to how difficult it is to uproot religious beliefs once they're established. I've always agreed in this area. I don't remember whether he was speaking on religion specifically, but he noted that it is difficult if not impossible to kill an idea by force. The only way to do it is to have a superior and more compelling Weltanschauung. Hitler was certainly not opposed to using force if he had to, but I think to an extent that this is a very important insight. We know that force can play an essential role though. Force wasn't the only factor in the Christianization of Europe, but it was a major one that led to the Christianization of people (more or less) over several generations or more. With the Dawkins-tier New Atheists, part of their failure is (1) that they're cringe, unpleasant and extraordinarily shallow in their view of religion ("sky daddy, etc"), and that (2) they don't offer a compelling alternative. They only offer soulless globohomo, science-worship and materialism in the place of other religions. Paganism, if correctly formulated and presented, or some form of religion / philosophy Pagan adjacent, I think has a much better chance of actually making inroads.
>>12402 >All the more reason to exclude Christians entirely and to stamp on with the force of a thousand suns where ever it crops up. I think this is not sound strategy. push people into a corner with no way out, and they fight back harder than ever. there are historical cases of religious fanatics who faced torture and execution and still wouldn't recant. a better plan would be to permit Christianity to some extent, especially Catholicism (since it represents a long tradition and retains pagan influence), and crack down on Protestants and even moreso on perverse doctrines like Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses. >we cannot win without spirituality nor can we win without the temporal, use them both in equal measure and we cannot be defeated. this is true, and is a major reason for the success of Islam. >>12433 indeed. spiritual power is greater than force, but force is still important at times. >they don't offer a compelling alternative. They only offer soulless globohomo, science-worship and materialism in the place of other religions. true, and that touches on a larger point -- without religion, the vacuum is filled by other objects of worship, such as materialism or secular ideologies. for example, there are religious undertones in cultural marxism and environmentalism. I agree that revived Paganism has much better potential as a spiritual path than the modern substitutes I'm aware of. >>12405 Buddhism can be co-opted.
>>12480 >I think this is not sound strategy. push people into a corner with no way out. It's not a "sound strategy" it is an edict from our forefathers Christians are all traitors, we must purge them and kill them so that they do not from any society we create in the future or they WILL kill us again, we will end right back here because Nietzsche was right Christianity leads to nihilism and the rule of Last men. >and they fight back harder than ever. there are historical cases of religious fanatics who faced torture and execution and still wouldn't recant. I don't want them to recant, I WANT THEM DEAD I WANT THEIR SICK, DISGUSTING, ANTI-ARYAN RELIGION GONE FROM THIS WORLD AND I WILL LIVE TO SEE IT GONE FROM AT LEAST MY NATION, BEFORE I LEAVE THIS WORLD. So, I don't care how much it makes them resist or how much it hardens them, the more they fight the more justification to remove them it gives me even though, I need none. \ >A better plan would be to permit Christianity to some extent, especially Catholicism (since it represents a long tradition and retains pagan influence), and crack down on Protestants and even moreso on perverse doctrines like Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses. No, I don't care what Catholicism has "preserved" or how much they stole and then corrupted of our Native beliefs because it has helped quite directly in the case of Nordic Spaniards in South America by not only permitting but encouraging miscegenation, which makes it, like all Christianity, nothing more than a tool of our enemy to destroy our race too, it must go, no differently than jews, or muslims, or niggers.
>>12482 >I don't want them to recant, I WANT THEM DEAD I WANT THEIR SICK, DISGUSTING, ANTI-ARYAN RELIGION GONE FROM THIS WORLD AND I WILL LIVE TO SEE IT GONE FROM AT LEAST MY NATION, BEFORE I LEAVE THIS WORLD Why can’t some Christians just recant? One who is bluepilled in any way is living in a state of at least partial ignorance. Lemmings are ignorant with comparatively underdeveloped intellects, but ignorance is washed out by the light of truth, and the masses will follow the leader who sets a good personal example. If they have only verbally uttered bluepilled statements and not acted on them, they’re innocent in a sense, especially if they can be woken up. If they are *actively* shilling against and *working* towards White genocide, sure kill them, who cares. If we take this type of extreme line, there’d be ten times more dead Whites than enemies. I’m not saying a large amount of Whites won’t die in the process of preserving our people, but it’s just silly to want to kill someone who was a Christian but realizes that he may have been wrong and wishes to recant.
>>12483 >Why can’t some Christians just recant? If one sincerely recants belief in a jew god, one was never Christian to begin with and they can just not after war has begun, and no christianity will be allowed within the borders of the ethnostate and any who attempt to get in will be killed. >One who is bluepilled in any way is living in a state of at least partial ignorance. Ignorance is a choice, especially today, no lemming will get mercy from me for being ignorant. >Lemmings are ignorant with comparatively underdeveloped intellects, but ignorance is washed out by the light of truth, and the masses will follow the leader who sets a good personal example. No they will fight us because they already have their leaders who are good examples from their perpsective, and besides it is a waste of resources and time to turn lemmings around when we can work with non-lemmings almost exclusively, it's just much more difficult to do. >If they have only verbally uttered bluepilled statements and not acted on them, they’re innocent in a sense, especially if they can be woken up. If they could be "woken up" they would be awake RIGHT NOW, and there are NO innocents, period. >If they are *actively* shilling against and *working* towards White genocide, sure kill them, who cares. All lemmings are doing this most by proxy and many through direct action, just the action of CONSOOMING directly aids White genocide and every single one of us is guilty of that. >If we take this type of extreme line, there’d be ten times more dead Whites than enemies. How much of the worlds population is White again? less than ten percent and that's with A pretty broad non-Nordic definition of White, and honestly, good, our race needs to be purged of it's undesirables and traitors. >I’m not saying a large amount of Whites won’t die in the process of preserving our people, but it’s just silly to want to kill someone who was a Christian but realizes that he may have been wrong and wishes to recant. He better recant before hostilities begin, otherwise he better not be Christian when our squads of Aryan Soldiers come across him, who ever he is, once this begins, ALL Christians are the enemy no matter what. They are why we are here now in this supremely degenerate time, and they do not seek a return to the truth of the Natural Order.
>>12484 >when our squads of Aryan Soldiers come across him, who ever he is, once this begins Any day now
>>12480 >without religion, the vacuum is filled by other objects of worship, such as materialism or secular ideologies. Exactly. And the results are arguably much wores for both the individual and society.
>>12484 >>12483 >>12482 >>12480 >>12430 What is your guys favorite chapter of bhagavad gita?
>>12503 Chapter 11, where Krishna reveals his universal form to Arjuna. Honestly though there are a lot of chapters I like.
>>12505 i like the second half the best, i never was too attracted to the middle portion, but tbh the best chapter is the second one. chapter 1 is the beginning of the book, and then chapter 2 is the conclusion.
>>12525 I enjoyed the first two chapters, and then thought it was kinda slow (admittedly with some good content here and there) from there to up to chapter ten. From then on I think the rest of it is very interesting, so I'm similar to you in this regard. Not that I don't like large portions of the beginning, it's just that in comparison to the other I like them less. I've been meaning to reread a different translation from Prabhupada's soon.
>>12527 i liked the later chapters where krishna explains samkhya and varna. bhagavad gita gets reccomendations because it presents a philosophy that encourages people to fight for a higher cause, but it also presents a system and theory of organizing a society. its such a combination of simple+profound that people look over it without realizing the implications of understanding the 3 gunas of samkhya and organizing a society around them (varna)
>>12532 I still have a lot of trouble really making sense of what exactly a “guna” is, even with the text
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Decolonizing Bhakti Yoga: A Path Toward Healing (Part 1/4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsEPg3pWSUY&list=PLJ5JqB-kNdmfDQfNY0nQwoVpyixdThvzm&index=1 >>12539 what translation are you reading?
Christian here. Why embrace Dharma instead of Christianity? Western Civilization is shaped by Christianity. Don't we have more in common with Christianity than with Eastern Religions?
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>>12579 >>12579 Western civilization is more rooted in Greek and Roman culture than anything Christian. Those two civilizations are the true bedrock of Western civilization. Christianity has certainly shaped aspects of the West for better or worse, but ultimately it all springs from White minds. All the great art, architecture and culture of Europe are ultimately, regardless of religion, downstream from biology, hence why we don't see Africans who have been Christians for nearly two millennia having high civilization (Ethiopia, etc). The further back one goes into the past, the more European ethnic groups and their traditions were in accordance with the principle of Dharma. I'm using the Sanskrit term here of course, but we could just as easily refer to any of the terms that Indo-European peoples used to refer to this concept of Dharma / Natural Law in their own languages. A society in accordance with Dharma is in accordance with the Natural Order, and it prospers accordingly. It's also extremely adaptable, and the idea can be applied variously to a group, to a collectivity, a species, all beings or even to the order of the universe itself. It is context sensitive. When something is in accordance with Dharma, that thing is in conformity with the essential nature of beings, realized in an ordered hierarchy where all beings have their place. A things Dharma does not lie in any external requirement, but it arises from its very nature, manifesting as soon as impurities are removed. To me, such an idea of a universal, all-encompassing law which is yet flexible and adaptable to different circumstances and a variety of situations, is very attractive and much more in conformance with the nature of reality than Abrahamic religions, all of which are religions which we can pinpoint as having a beginning in history, a concrete founder. Natural Law religions, whether in Europe, Asia or India, emerge from the depths of prehistory, and are natural and organic expressions of those groups expressed through the particular mental prism of race, culture, environment, etc. >>12578 Prabhupada
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>>12579 before becoming repilled on the ZOG and our current socio-political situation i realized something was wrong with the world, the people in it. i realized then that the people around me that i knew as friends, family, and lovers, didnt have any of the same morality i did. i felt like none of the people around me were human anymore, and i felt like a visitor in a strange world who cant remember how he got where he is. i began to internally withdraw from the world and the people i knew and i began to independently conceive of new philosophical ideas about desire, happiness, materialism, compassion, what really matters in the world. i assumed these things were already known and explainable phenomena and thought i would find sterile and rational explanations within western psychology. i couldnt find any of the new ideas in my head within that realm. eventually i found these ideas explained in the "dharmic" religions of buddhism, hinduism, and jainism. i was shocked and amazed that there was at least one other person on the planet who had the same ideas i did, and then i discovered there was an entire culture, society, civilization built around these values. i became obsessed with bhagavad gita because i related to arjunas sentiment about seeing his friends, family members, and teachers on the other side of the battlefield, and that he would rather be killed unarmed than take part in the battle. i immediately felt close to arjuna, because i had never met another human who placed spiritual values over material gain. a fictional character from a story created by an alien bizarre culture with weird names and words and art styles on the other side of the planet thousands of years ago, i still felt like i had made the first friend in a long time. for almost a year i couldnt read the line where arjuna said he would not fight and dropped his bow on the battlefield without breaking into tears. i didnt know all the terms used in bhagavad gita and couldnt understand it, but i would read it everyday anyway believing that if i just read it over and over again i would understand what it was saying about life and the world and i would use these learnings to find happiness, and very quickly i did. every aspect of my life improved, i cleaned myself up, stopped using drugs, started getting a lot more "attention" from women, i felt unstoppable. understanding the self, brahman, the nature of materiality, karma, and desire are the key concepts that control your reality. before this i was a hardcore atheist and the world had jaded me into a nihilist. i could never accept christianity or any religion that you need faith to believe in, whos to say it isnt just common sense advice wrapped around a made up idea? but with sanatana dharma you dont need faith, youre not supposed to have blind faith infact its regarded as useless. you just need reasoning and understanding. higher ideals like morality arent sentimental inventions or arbitrary commands from a (probably) fictional higher being, they are hardcoded into reality itself. when you understand dharmic religion, you understand reality itself and understand that reality couldnt come any other way. with christianity/islam there could be 7 pillars and 13 commandments, why not? it doesnt change anything. dharmic religion begins by boiling reality down to its two most essential components that cant ever by removed, the observer and the observed, and then builds itself from there. christianity is built from a fantastical unverifiable crazy story with a convoluted history and after studying every bit of it in the end the only way to practice it is to just ignore its ontological failures and force yourself to believe in it even though you have no way of verifying its super natural claims.
I had hope that i could change the world with this wisdom, but nobody wanted to hear it, nobody could even understand it. i know its hard to imagine and may seem contradictory to what ive just said, but a heavy a prerequisite to understanding dharma is the condition of your heart. the evil will never understand, and reality is in such a way that the evil become weaker and less intelligent and the righteous become stronger and more intelligent (not to say that the fruits of good work cant be used for evil). these mechanics are hardcoded into reality itself, reality literally cannot exist in any other way. eventually i read the puranas and read about kali yuga how this trend of degeneration, evil and animalism isnt an accident, its planned and is the will of "god" and it has barely even begun, everything will get much worse and everything we love will be destroyed. i guess that black pilled me more than anything else. i still have some urge to fight against degeneracy anyway. the bhagavad gita teaches that its not the fruits of your actions that belong to you, only your actions themselves. even if we cant win, the bhagavad gita teaches that fighting anyway, fighting for dharma is our salvation, whether the end result is victory or failure. the thing that really matters is that you fight, and that alone is your true salvation. im reminded of what one of hitlers top men said during the nuremberg trial, that if he could do it all over again knowing the outcome he would because he loved serving hitler. >Sanjaya said: Seeing Arjuna full of compassion and very sorrowful, his eyes brimming with tears, Madhusudana, Krsna, spoke the following words. >The Supreme Person [Bhagavan] said: My dear Arjuna, how have these impurities come upon you? They are not at all befitting a man who knows the progressive values of life. They do not lead to higher planets, but to infamy. >O son of Prtha, do not yield to this degrading impotence. It does not become you. Give up such petty weakness of heart and arise, O chastiser of the enemy.
The thing is dravidians follow this religion too. And it has helped them at times. Without the religion, they'd be even higher crime rates.
>>12617 The good thing about Sanatana Dharma is that it embraces the whole Natural Order, yet does not lay down a one-size-fits-all solution as Abrahamics do, we see this in the varnashrama-dharma idea. Abrahamics at most recognize a distinction between the sexes, but Sanatana Dharma takes it a step further, recognizing the very real different natures of different types of individuals and organizing them hierarchically and having different expectations of them. The Dravidian can benefit, as could theoretically anyone. >>12601 >>12602 Good posts, I enjoyed reading them.
>>12622 What do you guys mean by Dravidian in the context of this thread? I looked it up and it appears to be a specific type of dark-skinned people from India - are you referring to them or are you using the label in a different sense?
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>>12638 Yeah, we're referring to the Dravidians in India, who are the native negroid population of the subcontinent in comparison to the later Aryan invaders. This even manifests in castes. Though the highest castes haven't been pure now for at least two millennia, they are well-known for having lighter skin and are more genetically similar to Eastern Europeans than lower caste negroid Dravidians. I've even seen theories trying to connect Australian aboriginals linguistically with Dravidians on the basis of their similar phonology. Even in terms of phenotype, I see some resemblance, so it's possible they are related to Abos https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC311057/
>>12617 Medicine ails the ills of all animals. Soma for a criminal works just as well for a nobleman.
>>11877 https://youtu.be/--S7-FG8dOk?t=3272 dharmanation guy gave his opinion on this in his latest video. he says its a dharmic religion because it has the concept of "asha" which is essentially the same thing as dharma, but it is a transitional religion to abrahamism, sitting somewhere inbetween sanatana dharma and abrahamsim.
>>12701 Interesting explanation - this is much more expanded than what he said in his books like The Dharma Manifesto. In that book, he definitely affirms its Dharmic nature, but does not touch on Zoroastrianism as a "transitional" religion or bridge between Sanatana Dharma and Abrahamism. I had had similar thoughts myself. I think the biggest degeneration is the rejection (if I am properly informed) of any sort of cycle of the ages. It seems to be one of the first religions to being moving towards some final paradise and judgement.
>Yahweh was seen as synonymous with Ahuramazda Bad look, guys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn19mZfuM98
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>>12731 Aravindh Vijayanandan just gassed that rabbi, Syrus Eye dumped his body in the oven.
>>12741 Didn't know that some dravidianss cared about jews trying to change the meaning of hinduism
>>12746 Unfortunately India as a nation is apparently quite bluepilled on Jews. If you search up "Anti-semitism in India" there will be numerous articles from MSM outlets and Jewish sites which proudly declare that India is a nation with no record of anti-Semitism. True or not, while they may not be redpilled on Jews as much as some people in the West, the one thing that Hindus and practitioners of Dharmic religions in general are redpilled on is a phenomenon closely related to Jews, i.e. Abrahamism, in particular the more Judaic and fanatical forms of Abrahamism like Islam, which have wreaked havoc on India and Southeast Asia now for centuries. They are very good at calling them out. With Christianity I've seen mixed reactions. In some ways I think they recognize that it genuinely does have a few more Dharmic aspects (Jesus is basically an avatar, etc). This doesn't change the fact, obviously that Christianity is still thoroughly Jewish and civilization-killing, unlike Sanatana Dharma.
>>12731 dharmanation guy says yahweh is an asura, and i was wondering if the being that showed itself to zoroaster and gave him the instructions for the religion was perhaps the same being (yahweh) that contacted abraham. >>12749 >Unfortunately India as a nation is apparently quite bluepilled on Jews. perhaps now, but there were jews expelled from ancient india and i believe it did have something to do with bad business practices. prabhupada was redpilled on jews, im wondering if it was only because he was educated at a western school under colonial rule. he mentioned shakespeares work shylock the jew in one of his few quotes on them. >>12749 > fanatical forms of Abrahamism like Islam, which have wreaked havoc on India we are very fortunate they were never fully conquered by islam the way europe was by christianity >With Christianity I've seen mixed reactions. the life of jesus and his teachings can be seen as a watered down version of sanatana dharma taught to barabarians, and ive met many hindus who believe that jesus was taught these things in india/tibet then returned to the middle east to teach them to his people. he fits the bill as an acarya
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>>12771 >perhaps now, but there were jews expelled from ancient india and i believe it did have something to do with bad business practices Kek, wouldn't surprise me. I do know that there were (are) Jews living in modern Kerala, though, the Cochin Jews, who intermixed with the Dravidians over time, but nevertheless kept their Jewishness and amassed some influence with the rulers. You're right about Prabhupada, though, he was very redpilled on the Jews and Holohoax what from I've seen. >we are very fortunate they were never fully conquered by islam the way europe was by christianity In some senses they are luckier, but in other senses we are better off. The conversion to Christianity was certainly mostly a top-down matter enforced by government, but in India from what I know it was an outright Islamic invasion, and Buddhists in particular were basically annihilated along with their temples, statues, monasteries and universities (in particular Nalanda in 1198). The term today in Persian, Hindi and a variety of Islamized lands today for 'idol' comes from the term "Buddha", really showing how much they despised and destroyed objections of devotion and veneration used by followers of Dharmic religions. It has been called one of the bloodiest conquests in history. Though they are course lucky that their traditions survived at all, unlike in Europe.
>>12775 >You're right about Prabhupada, though, he was very redpilled on the Jews and Holohoax what from I've seen. its a shame he didnt speak on the jews more, but most of his disciples were jewish. in the end they poisoned him. its a miracle his comments on them even survived. he would list great people that had read bhagavad gita when preaching and his disciples had to explain to him that proudly proclaiming that hitler read bhagavad gita too was a bad advertisement in the west. >but in other senses we are better off. how do you figure?
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>>12795 It still confuses me why Prabhupada surrounded himself with so many kikes and degenerate sicko Jews like Allen Ginsberg. He in particular needed a bullet through his skull. For such an undeniably based and redpilled man, a great mistake. >how do you figure? Though European native traditions were destroyed or undermined, it was done by other European, not through the invasions of marauding Turks and Arabs. Christians at the very least in some cases worked to gradually Christianize and reuse the temples of pagans for their own purposes. One piece of evidence we see for this is in Gregory's I letters to Abbot Mellitus in England, in which he advocates for this sort of gradualism and opposition to a total separation from the native traditions of the English. Now of course he did intend to disconnect them from them in time, but opposed to being genocided by Muslims this is infinitely preferable, if it had to happen. Now this is not to defend the Christians, we all know that they killed large numbers of pagan Europeans and destroyed our heritage, works of literature and even launched crusades on parts of Europe to extirpate paganism, but I still see as a lesser evil in comparison to what the Muslims did to Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and Jains. I also have a creeping suspicion that Islam leads in general to a more complete severance of a group from their heritage and ethnic roots in general. Islam wipes the slate clean of all of this. It's all "idolatry" or "products of ignorance (jahiliyyah)". They have more loyalty to their transnational Islamic Ummah than they do anything else, in the past and today. Christianity is more harmful in the long term though, given what we see has happened in the West.
>>12771 >an asura A good one or an evil one? Varuna and Mitra are considered Asuras, but benevolent ones.
Is Buddhism nilhistic?
>>12806 The guy in question says that Yahweh is a malevolent, vengeful, jealous and arrogant entity, so definitely an evil one. >>12820 Buddhism as nihilism is basically a meme. I read a funny comment on /lit/ once which said "Nihilism is a panicked theistic mind reacting to non-theistic explanations of reality". >In light of all this [the rise of scientific materialism], Buddhism must be considered somewhat unfashionable. Some critics have accused (and still accuse) it of being pessimistic, nihilistic and life-denying. Of course, Buddhism is not pessimistic. In fact, it is the most optimistic of religions, for it teaches that man can perfect himself here and now, and free himself by his own efforts from all suffering and unhappiness. Nor is it nihilistic. As the Buddha has often pointed out, he taught only the annihilation of suffering and ignorance. And if Buddhism is life-denying, it is only because it is death-defying, for life and death are inseparable https://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/prince/bl036.html
>>12806 >Varuna and Mitra are considered Asuras, but benevolent ones. such deities are only referred to as asuras in very old passages of the rg veda. in these passages all the gods are identified as asuras before they are called devas. i dont know the story behind this or how a guru would (cope) explain this, but for all intents and purposes varuna and mitra are to be considered devas and not asuras, and the rg veda naming them as asura is a one off oddity. >The guy in question says that Yahweh is a malevolent, vengeful, jealous and arrogant entity, so definitely an evil one. in bhagavad gita krishna says that traits like these are the de-facto traits of asuras. dont get the idea stuck in your head that some of the asuras are "good guys" or "benevolent". in the latest of vaishnava teachings anyone who opposes god or the natural order is an asura and anyone who serves god is a deva, that is the key difference. i dont know why devas are called asuras in the rig veda but maybe it has something to do with the fact they are known to have existed first being born of brahmas anus.
>>12854 I suspect the division between the Devas and Asuras was originally related to the division between the Aesir and Vanir, or the Titans and Gods. A myth of two warring tribes of deities seems common among the Indo-European cultures. The notion that one group is good and the other evil is likely a later development. (In the case of the Greeks, the idea of two tribes of deities seems to have merged with the Mesopotamian idea of generations of gods, making it more distant from the form it takes in Norse and Vedic mythology, assuming the Greek similarity isn't coincidental. The Aesir and Vanir are certainly related to the Devas and Asuras though.)
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knowing the ultimate fate of the vedic aryan civilization as racemixing themselves into a poohole, how can we guard against this happening if we adopt vedic belief systems? how can we really identify dravidian influences on vedic religion? is there any vedic text that speaks about race and its importance? >>12866 >A myth of two warring tribes of deities seems common among the Indo-European cultures i see it as inevitable as there are a groups who want to go with dharma (natural law) and those who want to go against it. >The Aesir and Vanir are certainly related to the Devas and Asuras though that sounds interesting. can you go into more detail about that?
>>12931 >is there any vedic text that speaks about race and its importance? The Bhagavad Gita, of course. I have made a post here before that laid out how the real interpretation of the Sanskrit is far more racial than we would have ever imagined. I will have to see if I can find the post. I'll get back to you there, and if not I will have to regather the info.
Bhagavad Gita 1.40-42: 1.40 >When irreligion is prominent in the family, O Krsna, the women of the family become corrupt, and from the degradation of womanhood, O descendant of Vrsni, comes unwanted progeny. Key words here are 'irreligion', literally 'adharma', and what is translated as 'unwanted progeny', or 'varna-sankarah'. If we look up both components of this compound in a Sanskrit dictionary, we begin to appreciate the meanings of the term 'varna' and 'sankarah' a little better. The Cologne Digital Sanskirt Lexicon defines 'varna' with the following terms (also see attached pics): >varNa m. [...] colour = race, species, kind, sort, character, nature, quality, property (applied to persons and things) [...] class of men, tribe, order, caste (prob. from the contrast of colour between the dark aboriginal tribes and their fair conquerors ; in RV esp. applied to the A1ryas and the Da1sas. >saMkara m. mixing together, commingling, intermixture, confusion (esp. of castes, races, proceeding from the intermarriage of a man with a woman of a lower caste or from promiscuous intercourse of the four tribes, and again from the indiscriminate cohabitation of their descendants [...] the offspring of a mixed marriage R. ; any action similar to the intermixture of castes The compound 'varna-sankarah' can literally only mean "race-mixing", "miscegenation", with a clear negative connotation, given from how "sankarah" evidently has connotations of "confusion". The Monier-Williams English-Sanskrit Dictionary has under the English word "confusion" a spot for "irregular mixture", giving the word "saṅkaraḥ", an exact match. 1.41 >When there is increase of unwanted population, a hellish situation is created both for the family and for those who destroy the family tradition. In such corrupt families, there is no offering of oblations of food and water to the ancestors. Unwanted population = sankarah = mongrels coming from race-mixing. 1.42 >Due to the evil deeds of the destroyers of family tradition, all kinds of community projects and family welfare activities are devastated. No real comments from me here. The more accurate translation would be, I think, then: >When adharma is prominent in the family, O Krsna, the women of the family become corrupt, and from the degradation of womanhood, O descendant of Vrsni, comes mongrelization. >When there is increase of mongrelization, a hellish situation is created both for the family and for those who destroy the family tradition. In such corrupt families, there is no offering of oblations of food and water to the ancestors. >Due to the evil deeds of the destroyers of family tradition, all kinds of community projects and family welfare activities are devastated. A very based teaching which warns against mixture and its civilization-destroying consequences. https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/
>>12942 (samefagging) Forgot pics
>>12942 >>12943 i was aware of this verse and its implications but it never seemed strong enough until i read your breakdown of the terms, after that its a very clear statement against racemixing. bhagavad gita describes varna as not being granted by birth and ive been thinking recently how this doesnt necessarily mean that any nigger could become a brahmin but rather that even if you are the son of a brahmin you still have to work and act appropriately to earn that title, or go into a different varna. didnt the manu samhita say that men can date down in class and women can date up? even if this is only in cases where a mate cant be found within your own class, isnt this an example of acceptable race mixing? >>12949 awesome, thank you the vedic people were obsessive to an autistic degree of classifying and categorizing everything about the world. surely somewhere there has to be something written down on race and what it means??
>>12950 >i was aware of this verse and its implications but it never seemed strong enough until i read your breakdown of the terms, after that its a very clear statement against racemixing We can all thank Savitri Devi for providing the impetus to me in looking up the exact meaning of this verse. In The Lightning and the Sun she quotes this verse several times to demonstrate that the Bhagavad Gita (and by extension Sanatana Dharma at large) are opposed to a mixture of races. Whatever translation she used was much more accurate as well in this sense. And sure enough, she was right! >didnt the manu samhita say that men can date down in class and women can date up? Yes, I believe I posted some info on this before somewhere here, but I can't seem to find it either. I'll have to make more infographs like the one I did above for quick redpills on Sanatana Dharma so we do not keep losing this stuff. When a higher-caste woman marries down it's called "pratiloma" marriage, or marriage "against the grain". The Sanskrit dictionary I consulted also defines pratiloma as "contrary to the natural course or order". Anuloma marriage is "with the grain", it is the case of the man marrying down in caste, which was, like you said, acceptable. There is a very cucked part of the Laws of Manu which says basically that it is the seed and not the field that it is planted in that makes an Aryan - this to me has been wholly invalidated by the complete degeneration of India from Vedic times to today. Varna-sankarah is Varna-sankarah. Krishna's statement on the matter is far more definitive in my mind that what the Laws of Manu say, in my mind. It is a coincidence that this was warned against on the very eve of the Kali Yuga? >even if this is only in cases where a mate cant be found within your own class, isnt this an example of acceptable race mixing? I think the Laws of Manu permits for multiple wives, so a man could have wives from multiple castes, but the fact that at least some of them could be considered Aryan just by virtue of an Aryan father is the real problem.
Late, but here is the info from the dictionary on Pratiloma versus Anuloma. If anyone is interested in what Manu says I can dig that up again tomorrow.
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https://www.galva108.org/ is it against sanatana dharma to throw gays off buildings?
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>>13012 No this is a matter highly sanctioned dharmic activity For each tranny and gay thrown off building block your dharma and innter chakra will see powerful increase, tenfold, some places in india it is a rite of passage for young boys.
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>>13012 I clicked on your link hoping to read some sort of based "kill them all" rant but was immensely disappointed to see that it's just sodomite / tranny garbage. This is one problem I have with Sanatana Dharma. It is not strict enough on these matters. Homosexuals and trannies should not be tolerated, at all. This is one area where Abrahamism is superior. Sanatana Dharma, at least in ancient times, was great due to how it viewed humans. It recognized different kinds of humans in terms of castes, and even within castes distinguished between men and women in terms of roles. Abrahamism did away with caste, but it remained good on the role of women, and far, far better when it comes to deviant types of sexuality than religions in the East. We know though that in Europe we can find statements by philosophers who were pagan declaring that homosexuality was against the natural order, and how Germanic peoples threw them in bogs. This is part of the reason why Whites need their own religion based on the Natural Order and the needs of our race to dominate others.
>>13017 Amazing, this is the answer i was hoping for. Thank you. >>13020 >This is one problem I have with Sanatana Dharma >This is part of the reason why Whites need their own religion based on the Natural Order I agree. Sanatana dharma is a White religion but its so corrupted with dravidian influence that its not going to work if you want to be a strict fundamentalist true believer about it. Its a system of religion/philosophy that is based around natural law so its valuable there, but the true religion of our people should be the glorious legacy, preservation, and evolution of the indo-euro peoples, not devotion to a dark complexioned god. The vedic purists, the theistic personalists that prabhupada and dharmanation guy belong to are going to have to go along with the abrahamists.
>>13032 >The vedic purists, the theistic personalists that prabhupada and dharmanation guy belong to are going to have to go along with the abrahamists. Soooo kill them?
>>13051 Yes not only because Hitler warned us about them, but because many of these Vedic Spiritualists, think they are so smart that breeding with "Aryan Jewesses" will create Aryan Children and not jewish ones.They think that homosexuals have a right and Natural place in our societies and one that doesn't require them to breed (I've seen several of these homosexuals shill for complete destruction of monogamy and only allowing the absolute cream of the crop to breed at all, which would never work as without the prospect of good pussy and kids from it, why would any soldier fight). They think they can create nations and fight from eastern europe while America still exists as a world powerhouse. They somehow think, that whatever takes Americas place as military slave to the jew, will be less hostile to, or somehow less able to fuck with, racists and antisemites. These people are delusional in that they do not see simple truths that concern the material because they are too disconnected from it such that, they cannot see, or do not care, that we have a limited amount of time to kill ZOG and create a place from which we can begin to support movements from.
>>13065 As an addendum to that post here is an example of a small [portion of their discussion over less than an hour, and just how retarded they are.
>13032 >the true religion of our people should be the glorious legacy, preservation, and evolution of the indo-euro peoples We need a religion which inspires the dedication of Jihadists, or the Japanese in WWII, but is still of a firmly pagan spirit, and is able to deal with the entire Natural Order in the way Sanatana Dharma tries to do. And it must be totally dedicated to our race. >>13066 >>13065 Wow these people are massive faggots
Are there any /fascist/-approved Dharma podcasts/JewTube channels besides DharmaNation?
>>13076 I've listened to some stuff by the "Right-Wing Dharma Squads" podcast and thought it was decent. It's on Buddhism though. In one that I listened to the retard wouldn't take his baby out of the room and it made in unlistenable. That was a one-time thing hopefully. Still, they're redpilled. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaIMBWbYx3f62w0oWF3znKw/videos I also watch the channel "Radha Mohan Das - Vedic Science" which talks about aspects of Vedic and Puranic cosmology and how to understand them in light of how they seem to be irreconcilable with the understandings of what science tells us to think. https://www.youtube.com/user/RadhaMohanonutube/videos Third, I like to watch "Sadaputa Digital Channel - Dr. Richard L. Thompson", which has more content on Vedic science. The channel above frequently draws from Richard L. Thompson's material. He has interesting books as well. https://www.youtube.com/user/SadaputaChannel/videos
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>Soooo kill them? dharmanation guys cult is aligned with our values and hes not going to be in favor of forcing people to worship vishnu. trying to attack dharmanation guys cult would be shooting ourselves in the foot, we need groups like his to be successful even though hes not quite as radical as we would like. i doubt he would get in our way. prabhupada on the other hand is a different story..... >Prabhupāda: Arcye viṣṇau... [break] ...when it will teach military art, with tilaka, soldiers will [chanting in marching beat], "Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa..." [laughter] We want that. Marching with military band, "Hare Kṛṣṇa." You maintain this idea. Is it not good? >Prabhupāda: When there will be military march of Kṛṣṇa conscious soldiers, anyone who does not believe in Kṛṣṇa, "Blam!" [laughter] Yes. The same process as the Muhammadans did with sword and Koran, we'll have to do that. "Do you believe in Kṛṣṇa or not?" "No, sir." "Blam!" Finished. [laughter; Prabhupāda laughs] >Prabhupāda: [laughing] What these Communists can do? We can do better than them. We can kill many Communists like that. [laughter] https://vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/740315mwvrn/?query=blam#bb270228 to prabhupadas credit he has a lot of anti-homo comments, but these arent grounded well in vedic shastras, this is most likely due to abrahamic influences on india. faggots are a public health crisis and the vedic shastras dont give us instructions on how to deal with them, or more accurately explicit permission to "deal with them". >These rascals should understand that they have created problem on account of their animalistic..., less than animalistic civilization. There is no limit of sense gratification. The sense gratification, homosex, they are supporting. Just see. Just see. At least in animal society there is no homosex. They have created homosex, and that is being passed by the priest, the religious heads. You know that? >Prabhupāda: Just see. If you say that they are animal civilization, that is a great credit for them. It is less than animal civilization. Write all this in papers and everything, all openly. Challenge strongly. First of all realize, then challenge. >>13065 agreed >>13074 please dont cringe, but the religion of the imperium of man in warhammer 40k is pretty based and inspiring. its a blood&soil religion, earth is known as Holy Terra, killing the xenos is a righteous act, the worship of the god emperor who is the archetypical overman. we can really do a lot of that with esoteric hitlerism. our holy race will be the indo-euro peoples, europe will be holy europa, killing niggers will be a righteous holy act, hitler is the god emperor who watches us in battle and if we fight valiantly we go to him after death. but now we're running into another problem because the worship of the dark complexioned god vishnu has already deeply seeped into esoteric hitlerism, with kalki and hitler as an avatar and kali yuga. the way the concepts themselves have been interpreted i dont have a problem with, but including vishnu, the worship of a dark complexioned god who claims to be the creator and destroyer of all things, will derail people from what we should be focusing on, our people. >We need a religion which inspires the dedication of Jihadists >there once was a man, a man born in a forgotten time. created by a force of unknown origin. he would cross the ages knowing his one purpose. to lead humanity as the greatest empire in the galaxy. The Imperium of Man. in this time he would be known by only one name, the emperor of mankind. THE EMPEROR OF MAN [1] The Rise of Humanity | WARHAMMER 40,000 Lore / History https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyPjE1Sn-Ts&list=PLl6BRvEJ-auZ5aYPHj1B3pKJ_pLjg9qNU&index=4 Helsreach, fan made warhammer40k movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKMdHfOC7VQ
>>13106 The thing too is that with any religion that will be successful it must be able to provide answers to a variety of questions, such as what happens when one dies, what is the meaning of life, etc. Conquest of the galaxy (or whatever comparable goal) would not be a very compelling vision to most people, I don't think, and it also raises the question of why us, what happens when we conquer the galaxy? We pat ourselves on the back? What we need to do is posit the existence of a God / Intelligence whose will is expressed in the design of Nature, and its eternal Laws. Clearly this is no God of love and Christcuckery. Nature is a cruel battle for existence, both here on Earth, and all throughout the universe. In one sense part of oneself lives on through passing on their genes, but it is also likely that conscious, like matter, is not indestructible, only being transformed and reborn. Now as regards the meaning of life, it should be becoming more like God, and that involves grasping the Laws of Nature, reaching higher levels of consciousness, and ensuring the survival of one's race. This is basically my own view right now, and I do not see it as wholly incompatible with what you have put out here.
>>13107 >, but it is also likely that conscious, like matter, is not indestructible, only being transformed and reborn Is indestructible
>>13074 They are and that's not even the half of it, I only stay in it to watch what they say and argue when I can for Nationla Socilaism and my positions based on it but it's largely useless save as info on potential enemies or recruitment of a few choice allies. The owner of the Chat is Vedic Eudaimonia, he spotted me in another chat and identified correctly that i am much smarter than most others you may come across and invited me to his chat, he literally thinks my intelligence is due to my polish heritage, I have discovered via Etymology of names that it's more likely Romanian/Czech than Polish butm the irony is thatmy parent on the polish side is a moron and addict and always was, my other parent is of middling intellect, though much smarter than the other, so wherever my intellect come from it isn't my polish side.
>>13114 Are you the guy who has posted stuff from Telegram chats before? Honestly a lot of it seems to be just insufferable. I'm glad that people like this don't come here. I mean we've got some quirky figures here and there, but I can't think of posts that are routinely bluepilled or cucked on this board. Outside of Neinchan there aren't many boards around like that anymore. I'm not hugely familiar with Telegram, but it must be the namefagging that brings out the retards. Hopefully you are able to guide some people down the right path though.
Indians are the master race.
>>13123 They went from being ruled by a master race to having to be told to poo in the loo. Quite sad.
>>13123 >>13123 >Indians are the master race. White "Indians" were. Fixed it for you. Modern Indians are disgusting streets shitting nigger trash riding off the culture, and work of the White Aryans. Just like today, ironically. Dravidians are almost worse than niggers.
>>13119 Yes, I am, and it is in many respects, though I have met a fair number of good Nietzschean men and women here and there. Prior to telegram I had no idea there were so many autists, and just plain idiots, no matter how smart, that there were on our side of things. It is illuminating to say the least and yes it probably is the namefagging that brings out this kind of behavior.
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>>13130 This. >>13131 Well, it's good to hear that it's not all garbage-quality people. The more Nietzchean-types the better as far as I'm concerned. The real redpill is of course that the vast majority of people will always be "autists" and "plain idiots" - sadly this seems to become ever truer in radical circles like ours. We get both extremes of intelligence in much higher numbers, and I'm sure it's much the same IRL for better or worse.
>>13123 Indian anon here. No, we're not and if we were, our insecurities would be gone and we wouldn't have been invaded by the British. "Master race" makes no sense.
>>13149 Unrelated question, but how serious does the average Indian take their religion? Like is it a big part of their daily life or is it just something that they do out of deference to tradition? I guess what I'm asking is whether you think it has a strong future ahead of it or if it will lose out to Abrahamism or secularism.
>>13106 Like Prabupada, were there any other redpilled nonWhites?
>>13150 Tha average indian will go to temples, pray to gods and do processions. Then, for those slightly more religious, they'll come to temples on special days to do more processions. Many do it bc their parents do it. Some are very much into it. Even though I don't partake in Hinduism I am amazed by how people can sacrifice things and be a part of a religion.
>>13151 You'd have to look to pre-1945 Japan for very redpilled non-Whites. Some of the rhetoric against Christianity they use is /pol/-tier, plus they basically weaponized Shinto into an institution of state for a few decades to support imperial expansionism and the Japanese people. >>13154 Thanks for the answer, I guess I'm not too surprised. I don't know why but I had some sort of view where it's not as alive as some other forms of religion, this is likely due to the fact that I don't really have much interactions with Indians at all though. I do wonder what they'd think of some of the stuff said here kek
>>13156 >I do wonder what they'd think of some of the stuff said here kek Their heads will explode due to the loss of cope. Honestly, it's better to live with the truth.
Is there a vaishnava here who would speak in favor of worshipping the dark complexioned one? Vishnu/narayana/krishna?
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>>13161 Interestingly if we are to believe Savitri Devi there were apparently even lower caste Hindus who knew the truth back during the war when she was in India. For example she claims that there were people who put up altars to Hitler, people spreading rumors about how Hitler was going to remove the Bible from Europe and realign it according to the Gita, and how dark-skinned Dravidians would say stuff like how they were shitskins due to the sins of their past lives. I can only imagine though that since independence they've got a bit more arrogant and would not be so open about the truth, but maybe I am wrong. Given the fact that we can find people who are willing to worship stooges like Trump as a god, I can only imagine what it is was like with such an extraordinary man like Hitler.
We need an new Aryan religion thread, I’m not sure I want to shit up existing threads with insane speculations and bouncing ideas off the wall. I’m not sure if it would quite fit in with the pagan thread either. The ideas I have are certainly pagan-influenced, but I draw ideas from everywhere, according to what seems most sensible to me.
>>13214 As long as you aren't drawing ideas from Abrahamism, it does belong in the Paganism/Aryan Religion Thread.
>>13215 I feel like on one sense there is some Abrahamic influence, but I would still be dumping heaven, hell, slave morality, prophets, Jew-worship, revelation, souls and the like. The only real common aspect would be a transcendent monotheistic creator. Mixed in with that would be some doctrines congenial to our worldview, such as an evolutionary process (both biological and more general) and Nature as eternal struggle. I’m still thinking though – I don’t want to just make shit up ad hoc as it will have no sticking power, so I’m trying to think what could actually be true according to reason and what we know in general. So maybe more of an evolutionary Deism congenial to racialism, but still not cleanly in either Dharmic or Pagan categories.
Pan indo-euro hitlerism. Its alreadt being done.
>>962 >not a single depiction of Indra being golden haired
>>11630 Fuck off your with pornography image, retard.
Maybe this has already been discussed before but to what extent can vegetarianism be regarded as a pre-Aryan, Dravidian aspect of Hinduism rather than an Aryan one? Even the Bhagavad Gita mentions that eating meat is sinful yet we know that the Aryans would sacrifice animals regularly and eat their meat. We also know that the Aryans were mostly a nomadic people who therefore would have probably survived off meat and dairy alone, like other nomadic people such as the Mongols and Bedouin.
>>13311 >knowing the source of some loli hentai image Anon... Don't worry, lolis are based but porn is kiked
>>13316 We can definitely find parallels in Europe though with vegetarianism. For example, certain groups such as Pythagoreans and Orphics were both practitioners of asceticism and vegetarianism and have many parallels (from the little we know) with some of the Śramana movements.
>>13316 >but to what extent can vegetarianism be regarded as a pre-Aryan, Dravidian aspect of Hinduism is there any evidence that dravidians were vegetarian? are you seriously going to tell me you believe that? knowing that nigger societies always result in the most cruel and abominable behaviors including animal cruelty and cannibalism? the lowest class of people in vedic culture are the candalas which means dog eater, not vegan. if people understood samkhya philosophy of the triple qualites inherent in material nature (3 gunas of prakriti) and the varna system ideas like these wouldnt be passed around like they are. meat is tamasic, niggers are ultra tamasic people, vegetarianism is sattvic, Whites are sattvic people. am i the only one who understands these things? >Even the Bhagavad Gita mentions that eating meat is sinful i dont remember that being in bhagavad gita. can you cite that? >Aryans would sacrifice animals regularly and eat their meat i dont know how often the sacrifices would happen, i think they required a lot of resources to perform, not likely to be too regular. there are verses you can find (ramayanas are the most infamous) where vedic characters ate meat and hunted. even in a recent scripture like bhagavata purana there are kshatriyas doing things like eating meat and drinking alcohol. its likely they ate meat outside of the sacrifices regularly. if you read and understand vedic philosophy not eating meat becomes a very obvious conclusion. something that ancient aryans would be appalled by our modern society isnt that we eat meat, but that we have slaughterhouses. slaughterhouses are a symptom of kali yuga and are abominable. learn the 3 gunas and how they explain varna and how that relates to the food you eat. >>13309 i wonder if there was any ancient artwork of stuff like that but it was destroyed by muslims or dravidians
>>13393 >i dont remember that being in bhagavad gita. can you cite that? He's probably referring to how it is said to be a tamasic behavior to eat meat.
>>13397 i dont think it ever mentions meat specifically. what chapter and verse is that from?
>>13398 17.10 I think. The first section of the site that I link mentions this verse and other verses which strengthen the interpretation. https://www.stephen-knapp.com/vegetarianism_recommended_in_Vedic_scripture.htm Ramanuja has the same interpretation basically in his commentary, for whatever that's worth: >Amedhyam means unsanctified foods due to not having been consecrated by first offering it to the Supreme Lord and thus impure. Partaking of foods in tama guna such as meat, fish, fowl, eggs, wine, alcohol, etc. breeds dark nescience and great ignorance. http://www.bhagavad-gita.org/Gita/verse-17-07.html
>>13401 like i had said earlier, lacto-vegetarianism becomes an obvious conclusion when you understand the philosophy, but finding scriptures that specifically say not to eat meat are hard to find. if you ate meat from an animal that was part of a vedic sacrifice would it still be tamasic?
>>13216 Sounds like Cosmotheism, read up on it.
>>13503 I was heavily thinking in the direction of Cosmotheism, but I am trying to think of the best way to avoid a particular potential issue raised by one anon that the inherently progressive nature of Cosmotheism (evolution towards a goal) can be pozzed and perverted. Maybe it is a non-issue though..
>>13393 >is there any evidence that dravidians were vegetarian? I do not know of specific evidence for vegetaranism being Dravidian but it generally seems like elements that were not part of the original Aryan Hinduism that were later added often originate in the pre-Aryan Dravidian religions, such as the worship of Shiva or mother goddesses. >knowing that nigger societies always result in the most cruel and abominable behaviors including animal cruelty and cannibalism It still seems to me like Dravidians are the most into it. Also, are we just going ignore the fact that Nordic societies lived predominately off animal products pre-Christianity? The Indo-Aryans lived like that, the Vikings lived like that, the ancient Germanic peoples lived like that (as proven by Tacitus' accounts). You can eat meat and not be cruel towards animals. >slaughterhouses are a symptom of kali yuga and are abominable That I can agree with.
>>13521 >I do not know of specific evidence for vegetaranism being Dravidian
>>13538 Even local Dravidians don't like them. They just treat them like outcasts. The only problems I see in them are that they are backwards and they have some bad hygiene practices.
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What do you guys think of the Hollow Earth theory in relation to the Vedas, Hyperboreans, Sanatana Dharma, Vril, advanced technology, UFOs, Nazis, ect?
tbh dravidians are without doubt still the best of the niggers. they had a written language, a civilization, and a system of religious and cultural practice. indians in america are the wealthiest demographic group with asians second by a wide margin and they have some of the lowest crime rates. How is sanatana dharma a valid religion for a White ethnostate if it does not command the genocide of niggers and jews?
>>13575 I haven't seen anything super convincing regarding hollow earth in the Vedas, Puranas or other scriptures. Most of the supposed proofs would probably support some sort of "honeycomb earth" theory if anything, rather than the type of hollow earth with a central sun that most people are referring to.
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>>13585 >How is sanatana dharma a valid religion for a White ethnostate if it does not command the genocide of niggers and jews? In the Laws of Manu it is said that duty of the king is to remove "thorns" from society and to maintain the caste boundaries. Regarding extermination, we also know that Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita that he comes to annihilate the evildoers, not to teach them, not to forgive them, but to utterly wipe them off the face of the earth. And does not the Bhagavad Gita say that for the kshatriya there is nothing better than war for dharma (2.31)?
>>13592 youre right that justification can be drawn out of the shastra, but it can also be condemned >we're all just atmans bro >king is supposed to protect his people not kill them all >sanatana dharma is about spiritual evolution not punishing people for small mistakes etc, etc, etc the ideas that a king should get rid of bad apples, that god annihilates evil doers, and that a war for good is a just cause arent at all exclusive to sanatana dharma, they are (should be) common sense to anyone. what i wish there was was something that explicitly explained how niggers are evil, not redeemable, love adharma, hate dharma, and will never be able to understand just how evil they are. all of this coupled with a physical description, the jew included. there are some vedic texts on physiognomy and ive seen mention of similar ideas in jain texts where the features of the body are all due to various karmas which are due to the actions willingly taken by that soul. they havent been translated into english (no surprise there, anything too repilling isnt), except for the one on palmistry. theres an untranslated jain text called angavidya which probably goes into an autistic level of detail on this subject. key things i would like to know are the opinions on skin/hair/eye color, the shape of the nose and head, anything that we would know as racial characteristics.
>>13585 So wait when you mean genocide of the niggers do you include the dravidians in it?
>>13597 yeah of course. the ancient aryans thought so. in my copy of the rig veda theres a commentary i happened to read on hymn that the reason the aryans detested the dasyus (dravidians) was because of their cultural and religous practices. knowing and understanding what we do about race and nature it could very well have been similar to what the aghori are doing. we cant have a live and let live approach to the practice of adharma, and its clearly obvious to an unbiased mind that dark skinned peoples nature is adharma anti-aryan animalistic attributes. understand that even the good ones you may see are only that way because of their association with Whites and placement in White culture. it is as if Whites are the children of the devas and dark skins are the children of the asuras.
>>13596 I know these are all example arguments, but I'll answer them for the hell of it - >we're all just atmans bro Irrelevant honestly. In the Bhagavad Gita the same argument is used by Krishna to say that Arjuna should fulfill his duty as a warrior and kill the enemy because they're just atmans and they'll be reborn. Life is directly devalued by such statements. Later in chapter five it's said again that the learned sage sees the cow, dog-eater and brahmin with the same eyes (i.e. he sees them as atman), but still that does not change what they are when they are embodied in some form, such as a nigger or a Jew. >king is supposed to protect his people not kill them all If the people are thorns they will be removed. >sanatana dharma is about spiritual evolution not punishing people for small mistakes Another lie. The Laws of Manu proscribe ones hands being cut off for theft, your tongue cut out for insulting a Brahmin. For adulterers, the female who betrays her husband is to be torn apart by dogs in a public square witnessed by men. For the man who cheats on his wife, he is to be burnt alive on a heated iron bed. Dharma is maintained in society through (by our standards) brutal punishments. >what i wish there was was something that explicitly explained how niggers are evil, It would make things much easier.
>>13611 >>13611 >I know these are all example arguments, but I'll answer them for the hell of it - good spirit :) >Irrelevant honestly. In the Bhagavad Gita the same argument is used by Krishna to say that Arjuna should fulfill his duty as a warrior and kill the enemy because they're just atmans and they'll be reborn thats a great counter argument >Another lie. The Laws of Manu proscribe ..... >Dharma is maintained in society through (by our standards) brutal punishments. true. you can probably easily find examples supporting this in puranas. >something that explicitly explains all niggers are evil this can never be the case, because of the story of prahlada who was born as an asura and became a great devotee of vishnu and thus dharma. i think in the ramayana there was someone from ravanas camp that defected and joined rama as well. the bhagavad gita explicitly leaves the door open for anyone of any race or class to be saved. this isnt saying to tolerate adharma, but still you know how it will be misinterpreted by a misguided people. are issues directly about race absent from vedic literature? would this mean that dharma is a civnat ideology?
>>13616 >you know how it will be misinterpreted by a misguided people. This is why historically scriptures like the Vedas were kept out of the hands of the masses and carefully gatekept by a priestly caste. >would this mean that dharma is a civnat ideology? No. I don't think it can fit in that framework. India in the Vedic period wasn't a nation-state obviously. There were scattered kingdoms and republics, but they weren't like centralized territorial states that we have today that are defined on the basis of a single ethnicity. They were just Vedic, and were ruled by Aryans, who kept the divisions between the castes and thus, for a time, preserved the races from mutually mixing each other out. We can say that there are racialist elements, obviously, and that India in the Vedic period had a variety of nations (Aryans, Dravidians, etc) living within the same kingdoms, etc. There's nothing that says you have to live among niggers though.
>>13611 >The Laws of Manu proscribe ones hands being cut off for theft, your tongue cut out for insulting a Brahmin. For adulterers, the female who betrays her husband is to be torn apart by dogs in a public square witnessed by men. For the man who cheats on his wife, he is to be burnt alive on a heated iron bed Too brutal, like mudslimes.
>>13607 But if you just said that they have low crime rates and are ok, why kill them?
>>13626 > your tongue cut out for insulting a Brahmin Let me guess. Most of the cypto- Indian kikes are probably Brahmins aren't they?
>>13627 its not a stable pattern of behavior. those ones are the ones who have immigrated to the west, not the native ones. in india all kinds of abominable horrors go on, we have seen the pictures. if even the light skinned immigrants who make shit tons of money and never do crime become separated from White influences and cultures how will they act? where would they stand in the race war? probably on the niggers side.
>>13632 I've lived in India for some time and most of the people I met knew that the old practices were degenerate (like sati).
>>13626 That text predates Islam. Most punishments prior to modernity were just as brutal, because they work. When they go to prayer in Saudi Arabia I’ve heard that even the jewelry shop owners go to mosque and leave their shops unlocked with how little crime there. We should adopt many of these guidelines as laid out by Manu I believe.
>>13505 There is nothing on this earth or in the minds of men that cannot be pozzed, it is like that rule from the early days of the internet, if it exists, there i porn of it, if it exists it can be pozzed, for an example look at Nietzsche and what leftists have done with him, or Strasser and what faggots have done with him and his thoughts, poz is avoided by ones choices and Cosmotheism encourages those choices by providing a lofty goal that we may never reach, that of divinity or perfection, however you want to see it.
>>13649 >if it exists it can be pozzed You’re probably right. If someone wants something pozzed, they’ll do whatever mental gymnastics necessary to achieve their goal. The important thing to do is to be able to keep the muddlers out of one’s immediate group and to keep them from polluting everything
>>13654 Exactly.
>>13654 Or they can just keep it to themselves in their heads. Like I said earlier, it's impossible to complete be a innocent goody two shoes.
>>13661 Subverters will never just 'keep it to themselves' though. They set out to change things and bend them to their benefit (whether we're talking about Jews or other groups). There will always be people who do this.
>>13673 i see it as a literal holy war for dharma. there will never be a political solution on dealing with these types
>>13685 No there is no solution for that type. Like the other anon said, they are thorns or weeds
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are these really that bad though?
>>13875 All of those seem pretty shit to have to deal with honestly, especially since the symptoms of the Kali Yuga are a single unit, and are not isolated from one another.
race is the most important issue facing us today, its the most important issue facing humanity in general, its the most important issue for sentient life on this planet period. is there any kali yuga prophecy about race in vedic texts??
It’s absurd how much better this book is than the Bible or any other form of Jewish-influenced scripture. Is it all this good? I’ve yet to read to the Ramayana or Mahabharata but I’d like to soon. The excerpts I’ve read from the Śrimad Bhagavatam are comfy as well. I think almost all Aryan lit I’ve read like the Odyssey or Theogony are far more compelling and interesting by far than Jew books. It’s sad that they are not more central in our society.
>>14042 But Dravidians read this shit too.
>>14053 I couldn't care less, honestly. The Bhagavad Gita is a great book, undoubtedly written by an Aryan. It's really no wonder that Himmler was said to carry a copy of this work with him at nearly all times, or why Savitri Devi was instantly able to connect what was written in this work and other Hindu texts with the doctrine of National Socialism.
>>14042 bhagavad gita is the best of the best. its the whole thing masterfully condensed. the puranas and ramayana and mahabharata have plenty of priceless gems in them too, but theres A LOT of filler imo. the beginning of mahabharata is more than one summary of the entire story (they didnt care about spoilers back then i guess) and then many many pages that just talk about how great mahabharata is. >>14053 dravidians breath and shit too. should we breath through our asses and shit out of our mouths? if you cant appreciate bhagavad gita because dravidians appreciate it you are a mindless drone. you have too much identified with the material nature. where the downfall of vedic civilization was an over identification with the spiritual aspect of reality a possible downfall of the White racialist movement is an over identification with the material aspect of reality.
>>14102 You must be right about the filler, because every version of the Ramayana or the Mahabharata that I have seen online for sale seems to be an abridged version except for perhaps Bibek Debroy's translations. I have his three-volume translation of the Śrimad Bhagavatam and thought it was pretty good quality, though his shit is as expensive as fuck. On Indian Amazon you can get them dirt cheap, but they don't ship to the US unfortunately. I'm particularly interested in the Ramayana due to Śri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya's video on it, where he discussed "the perfect leader".
>>14115 >You must be right about the filler trust me, its pretty bad. the same thing seems to plague the jain puranas, too much time talking about the story rather than the story itself. there are perhaps many gems of wisdom missing in the abridged versions so i still recommend reading the full versions. when i was trying to read kisari mohan gangulis mahabharata before i gave up, one line i came across that i liked: >the words of the brahmana can be as sharp as razor wire, but his heart is as soft as newly churned butter >the words of the kshatriya are as soft as newly churned butter, but his heart is as sharp as razor wire.
>>14120 I'll keep that in mind when it comes to abridgement. You never know what those people are using as criteria for keeping versus editing out certain content as well. How about the Vedas? I own a huge book that purports to have all four, but a lot of it is just ritualism and shit, but what has really kept me from reading them is the fact that the translation is from the late 19th century, and though that it not always a bad thing, in this case it sounds excessively stilted
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>The proposed system of NRP [National Renaissance Party] government was based on the Hindu Laws of Manu, which sanctioned a caste system based on racial divisions and a pyramidal social structure... >[Madole] regarded such hierarchy and racial segregation as a reflection of "Cosmic Law" and a guarantee of the harmony between the Macrocosm (the universe) and the microcosm (the body of man) >Madole modeled his stormtroopers on kshatriyas [...] He regarded his activists as "cosmic warriors" who were to uphold the order of the cosmos and ensure that the laws of race and eugenic selection became the basis of the New Atlantis Ummmm..based?
>>14123 i wouldnt even bother with the vedas, not without a teacher. most of the vedas a hymns in praise of a god, lots of verses with explanation of the context. they seem dumb at first, but when explained each hymn contains a mindboggling amount of esoteric shit that you would NEVER understand without a teacher. this is why it takes a lifetime to learn to vedas in a school under a teacher to really understand them. luckily for us though, the bhagavad gita and the puranas are said to be the distillation of the vedas. if the vedas were a cow, the puranas are the milk and the gita is the cream. >>14126 pretty based, but unfortunatly its a wishful interpretation. i have not seen one vedic verse promoting eugenics other than what would be considerd a "conservative" viewpoint on the matter. there is nothing talking about pushing forward and the reason is the whole philosophy is rooted in the kali yuga degeneration of man philosophy. man never elevates himself in vedic philosophy, it is god that has to lift him up and restart the satya yuga. rather on the contrary it is the inescapable doom and destruction of aryan man that is prophesied repeatedly. the whole thing is rooted in persistend beleife of inescaple entropy. i like jain philosophy over vedic because each person has to uplift themselves and no external being can help them, but it too is trapped within a cosmological framework of degeneration and regeneration outside of our control. this can not be for our worldview.
>>12949 >>12942 I just started reading the Penguin translation through on my planned re-read of the Gita and am surprised to see that they convey the true translation of this verse much closer than Prabhupada does. It doesn’t go as far to talk about race-mixing but it’s right at the threshold. Sorry for the bad pic >>14131 The NRP wasn’t exclusively Vedic. It was tied up with all sorts of Crowleyan, Satanist and Theosophical ideas that probably allowed them to justify themselves in some way.
>>14133 >It was tied up with all sorts of Crowleyan, Satanist and Theosophical ideas arent these schools of thought degenerate though? what ideas did they need these schools of thought for?
>>14135 I don’t quite the attraction to those ideas either. I can’t comment on Theosophy because I’m ignorant on the subject, but I’ve heard that Crowley was a degenerate homosexual, and I’m sure you’ve heard of Thelema with its teaching of “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law”. If Satanism refers to (((LaVey’s))) teachings, we of course know that is more kiked and plagiarized information.
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>Hitler So compassionate for animals that he cannot bear to eat them, squirrels and deer literally approach him and can be fed out of the palm of his hand. >Jesus Curses fig trees, sends demons into herds of pigs, sending the pigs right to their deaths
>>14232 I think animals can instinctively sense what kind of person you are. dogs and cats are always friendly to me for that reason.
>>14245 That is definitely true and I have noticed it myself, especially with dogs—they appear to be a great judge of character. I don’t know how they do it, but they seem to be often right. Quite contrary to the Jewish depiction of him as a monster, his relationship with animals, both domestic and wild, is far more indicative of him as a true “Evangelist of Love” as some such as Jost Turner have characterized him – not fake globohomo (((love))) but love of Nature and his Volk. Animals are naturally more in tune with the Natural Order than (modern) humans, so it is understandable that they can feel this aura around him. https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/06/the-eternal-laws-of-nature-love-and-national-socialism/

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