>>1621 sauce on second clip?

>>1624 nvm found it.

The French retreat from Indochina was a prototype for the American retreat from Vietnam... similarly La 317ème section was a prototype for Hollywood films like Platoon and Apocalypse Now

>>1691 I wish there was a good English source of the making of this movie, it was pure insanity. They used real bullets as it was cheaper to get during the Vietnam War.

>>1692 >They used real bullets as it was cheaper to get during the Vietnam War. Cool, I wasn't aware of that. I only know Come and See as another film with live ammo. One minor detail I liked about the film was how the Singapore radio station kept interfering with the men's attempts to call for help. The music taunted them with sounds of tranquility from the British colony of Singapore. By contrast the French colonialists were under attack and scrambling for their lives. I still want to see Diên Biên Phú (1992) from the same writer/director.

>>1668 Old Boy definitely counts as a thriller yeah. The Koreans are big on the mystery thrillers, but I don't quite like them. Forbid me for my bias, most of their stuff seems like commercialized movies that try to be edgy to me. I've never been that impressed, but I haven't seen Park Chan-wook films (besides Stoker) so it's probably my fault. Parasite doesn't impress me either, it's surely the kind of films that will receive a lot of awards and accolades, but to me it feels kinda forced and lacks subtlety.

>>1672 >most of their stuff seems like commercialized movies that try to be edgy to me You would be right, it is due to 2 big factors, for one they seem to be miserable and apathetic in terms of overall contemporary times' mood (in contrast with what an anon explained, back in history they were nicknamed "the happy people") and for second the mainstream always copycats the successful projects in the market and the koreans did have a big era in the early 2000's due to their cinema school students maturing enough to deliver consistent projects, most of them indeed violent and moody in rule with what Asia was doing in the 90's (Japanese economic crisis crime/depression movies, Hong Kong triad blood opera movies). But after 2007 or 2008 it seems they started to dry out and a new wave hit them with more feminized men, much more edgy content and sometimes even sanitized/sterile aesthetics in contrast with the content who dealt with serial killers, horrible incidents or plain out killing themselves like they always do. The west market is trying to imply they are a big thing again nowadays but truth is that i haven't seen them recover the heights from 1998-2004, we can theorize who or what to blame because the actors and the directors didn't emigrate so it wasn't a brain drain. If you are inclined to not be that impressed with those movies then maybe the old works won't impress you either, after all they were the foundation plans of what's going on nowadays and perhaps you are already tired of the things those movies present which were relatively fresh back then... still, haven't seen Parasite despite liking the director but was surprised that the hardcore korean critics said the movie is far from his best, which seems even humorous taking into account all the western accolades given because Weinstein-sponsored productions got a coup and opposing distributors bought the rights for the movie and the critics themselves usually defending him for getting mugged by Oldboy's success back then (his so-called best work was Memories of Murder, released in the same time span and who sparked a debate about which movie to present at international festivals). Talking about that movie, i guess it's a thriller too?

>>1676 Some people might crucify me for saying this, but I was not that impressed with Memories of Murder either. All I can remember is the frustration of sitting through it; (I thought) the plot was so forceful and unnatural. I might be wrong, but I don't intend to rewatch it. Guess I don't really like Korea in general. And yeah, the contemporary Korean wave of pop culture full of gayness and cringe is fucking cancerous and represents the worst aspects of entertainment industry. t. country is infested with cringy "Korean wave" products. Looks like they're progressing to infiltrate the western countries too, with their shitty ass pop music. /end rant I hope someone else will be able to discuss about some Korean films with you. I'm too allergic to that country to care lol

>>1689 >the plot was so forceful and unnatural Well, it is a thriller after all. Yeah no problem, it is a taste to be repelled by them because they sure have tons of "negative" traits in their movies alright, if anything it will give you more space to explore other areas without thinking you are missing out. For example i disdain most of Bollywood and horror movies so it's a big chunk out of a possible backlog, not to mention the usual allergy to mainstream american products like some of us here have so it's all good. But you do have problems if you don't like The Day of the Jackal, one of the best hitman movies out there. Shame anglos didn't like it as much as the world did.

>>1693 I liked that movie, need to rewatch it though. I often mix up the name with "Three Days of the Condor", a film with totally different style but enjoyable nonetheless. Faye Dunaway was great in it.

>>1674 I think I will start. I remember one of the more memorable ones I have seen was the 1988 version of The Blob. I loved its use of practical effects, the creative ways in which the creature was used (one woman gets eaten from the inside and a man in a professional kitchen is literally pulled through the kitchen sink) and the overall feel/tone of the film.

>>1675 I love the use of practical effects in older horror movies. Haven't seen either version of this though, the 1958 original sounds interesting (featuring Steve McQueen!). It was also released by Criterion.

>>1665 I don't think he did, actually (at least insofar as HollyJew is concerned). Blackballed for life. OTOH, he laughed all the way to the Boxoffice bank, and since he funded basically by himself, it's a big payday. In spite of all the attacks directed against him, he's still kicking, is now a literal hero to millions & millions (including me), and is reportedly working on the sequel. Obviously this is needed and would be welcomed/hated by the same two groups. Marxism won't actually win in the end, even if it looks pretty bad for the voices of freedom atm. Based Mel is an icon of such voices ofc.

>>1666 >Blackballed for life He certainly was blackballed but he dropped his pants recently to get into Hollywood again so no hero for me, i will always respect his directing philosophy but doing crap like Hacksaw Ridge or producing that one movie about Leonard Cohen plus starring in silly stuff like Dragged Across Concrete doesn't ring good bells to me. Still, The Passion of The Christ is an undoubtedly high point.

>>1666 (checked satan) He certainly did get away with the film during its time, going on to make another blockbuster right after.

The Russians have made quite a few nice films about Eastern Orthodoxy. You can watch "The Monk and the Demon" (2016) on YouTube, it poked fun at people in Jerusalem selling God for money, heh https://youtu.be/YzZ-aDFtZyU

Az ember tragédiája/The Tragedy of Man is a fantastic film that I've never seen discussed. It's based on the 1861 play of the same name – regarded as one of the greatest works of Hungarian literature – and follows Adam, guided by Lucifer, as he journeys through history, from humanity's inception in the Garden of Eden till its wretched end. Although the film began production in 1988, it wasn't released until 2011. After the collapse of Hungary's communist government, director Marcell Jankovics had to finance each of the film's fifteen segments individually, some of which were screened at film festivals or on Hungarian TV over the years. In fact, the end product had to be re-dubbed since the original voice actors were too old by the time the animation was complete. Jankovics actually believed that the play was better suited to the animation medium rather than the stage, which I agree with. Animation really unfetters the story and leaves it free to express itself on a grander scale, with each historical period being represented by the artstyle of the time. For example, the segment that takes place in Ancient Greece takes the form of engraved pottery, whereas the far future segment is all bold lines and part-monochrome to reflect the sterile and mechanical world. My personal favourite is the cross-hatched style in the Prague scene – aesthetics aside, it also visually represents the restricted thinking of the era, in contrast to the clean, fluid animation of the following French Revolution, reverting back to cross-hatching when said revolution fails. The film begins with the creation of the universe and the Fall of Man soon after. Having been cast out of Paradise, a prideful Adam is determined to pursue personal glory. In response, Lucifer whisks him away to Ancient Egypt – where Adam the pharaoh, having built a magnificent pyramid, has realised his desires at the cost of countless slave lives. He then reasons that equality between men is the true road to happiness, and is transported to a democratic Greece in chaos. The rest of the film follows this formula, with each of Adam's dreams being exposed as futile, and Adam himself growing older and wearier with each ensuing cycle. Eve also appears in each cycle of Adam's journey, providing him with the hope to strive on for a better outcome. In this way, she is ultimately his downfall. The ending is what really sets "Az ember tragédiája" apart, IMO. God is unfathomable, his intentions impossible to comprehend. Whether he truly has an unknowable plan for mankind, or is simply a callous creator, is left up to the viewer. >Man, I have spoken: Struggle and have faith! <The end is death; life is a struggle. And man's end is the struggle itself. And so, Adam resigns humanity to pushing the boulder up the hill until the last man's cold, miserable death. Overall, I think it's a beautiful film and I'm thankful to have seen it. Apparently the director felt the same way as he was in his 70s by the time his movie was finally released, lol. I highly recommend you check this one out.

Bian jing feng yun AKA Lethal Hostage (2012) Director: Er Cheng Quite surprised by this hidden gem. The English title/poster makes it come across as a C-level action movie but it really isn't, more of a crime drama that focuses on relationships between characters. It's beautifully shot, slow-paced, and not dialogue heavy, giving it an arthouse feel. Several interlinked stories are featured with some non-linear storytelling, accompanied with moody color schemes and great sound design that contributes greatly to the ambient. Very pleasant find.

Alien³ – I used to dislike the third Alien for a long time but after watching it on several occasions in recent years, it actually grew on me substantially. Talking specifically about the assembly cut, I think it’s actually a pretty solid film. This was an infamously troubled production and who knows how different the end result would have been if they were able to stay true to the original vision, for better or worse. But ultimately I’m fine with what we got. It’s funny to think there were times when this was considered a weak product when by today’s standards it’s an outright masterpiece. How the medium degraded… But anyway, it’s easy to see why the film is, even on conceptual level, disappointing – the first two Alien installments did seemingly everything there was to do with the premise, being sort of two sides of the same coin. You had a movie about a single alien, and then another one about multiple aliens, almost deconstructing the first one in a way. No matter what you do afterwards gonna feel derivative of either one. So they were really hard-pressed here and decided to go for the middle ground I guess, which is probably the best course of action all things considered but is undeniably lackluster since you’re not really getting anything new. The idea was to bring it back to its horror roots after Cameron turned in into an action-adventure rollercoaster with a relative happy end. With that in mind the decision to kill everyone off except for Ripley is perfectly understandable, though its execution does feel sloppy, especially if you marathon the films back-to-back. I believe there were better ways to implement the idea without it feeling like a deus ex copout. But like I said, eventually it grew on me. I did like the cast of prisoners that are the supporting cast. Even though they’re supposed to be these scary rapists and murderers, they actually come off quite likable, almost as a bunch of teenagers the way they are written. So it basically turns into Ripley and the co. fighting the alien Home Alone style. Which is kinda comfy. What I really liked about the film is its atmosphere of being stuck on some forsaken rock of rusting industrial complexes and dilapidated machinery. It’s very bleak and depressing in the best sort of way and is explored to the extent I haven’t seen in any other movie. It is an absolute joy to watch if you’re into those aesthetics. Of course all of that wouldn’t be worth much if it wasn’t filmed properly and thankfully the cinematography is absolutely excellent, with a lot of powerful wide shots and pleasing compositions. The art direction is also great; the film is roughly divided into two primary color schemes of metallic bluish gray and rust sepia, photographed with deep shadows that give everything that brooding weight. It conveys the atmosphere perfectly. Special effects on the other hand took a hard hit here and sadly do not hold up. Many people think they used CGI for the Xenomorph but that’s actually incorrect, they puppeteered a doll on the green screen and then superimposed it in. And yeah, it looks terrible, has a noticeable green outline and doesn’t blend in right in any shot. Other VFX range from okay to passable but thankfully this isn’t really an effects-driven project and everything that was shot in-camera looks good enough to compensate for that. The music is also really good and has a clear, powerful sound, though it’s largely reminiscent of the Aliens score. So it’s an interesting project, with all its production history and such. I honestly don’t think you can make a truly satisfying third Alien film that’s not gonna be a rehash or fanfiction-tier cringe, so I’m glad they instead leaned more heavily on the visual and atmospheric aspect, giving it a standout vibe.

>>1654 Know that William Gibson's original screenplay has an audiobook as well as a comic series made of it both of which are pretty wizard. But yeah, it's not great that this had not been realised as it was originally intended.

>>1662 Do you have a link to the comic?

>>1663 It's simply called Alien 3: The Unproduced Screenplay.

>>1643 >>1644 >>1645 Those are the types I've watched lately too. Maybe we should make threads for them. It is stated multiple times that any kind of film is welcome to discussed here though. Don't let board die frens

>>1492 I don't think there is any discord? There's only an empty IRC channel which I don't think is the reason for the slowness of the board.

>>1648 Very well, i wanted to do a big dump on that stuntman thread but i guess i will do it one at a time. I can make it but i will take some days to write the context posts for the kung fu stuff, i wanted to write a quick guide to the general ideas/idiosyncrasy of them because they have tons of quirks that might go unexplained for many, and along with them some drawings to illustrate some of the points. >>1650 Someone did make a Shitscord but i don't know if it is used, i think only for links but i could be wrong.

>>1650 >>1652 >discancer >IRC terrible

>>1655 IRC as someone said serves as a support channel if something happens here or if someone lurking in the torrent sites sees it and asks what is it. The other one has no excuse but i guess it's a contemporary platform some younglings find "necessary" even when it's paradoxical for the nature of the site hence why most of us find it absurd. But IMO there's no point burning our heads over potentially swayed users, the ones who made noise here time ago and who moved to the suspiciously newly-founded /vhs/ also don't talk about movies that often & /tv/ isn't particularly known for it either. It's just a mata of posting even if small bits.

>>1556 >Already in 1990, it was known that the weapons cache near Velp, Netherlands, while accidentally 'discovered' in 1983, had been plundered partially before. >That discovery forced the Dutch government to confirm that the arms were related to NATO planning for "unorthodox" warfare, arousing speculation that the Netherlands was involved in Gladio. >Some of the stolen weapons, including hand grenades and machine guns, later turned up when police officials arrested criminals John Mieremet and Sam Klepper in 1991. >Johannes Mieremet was killed, 2005, in Thailand after several previous failed attempts, he was a Dutch underworld hitman associated with the Willem Endstra extortion and assassination. >Willem Endstra was investigated in 1992 for allegedly using his business for money laundering the profits of a criminal gang dealing in ecstasy, real state trader by profession via his rich parents. >Mieremet claimed that he was brought into contact with Endstra via Heineken-kidnapper Willem Holleeder. Mieremet also believed that Endstra was behind a recent attempt on his life. >Endstra appeared on the television program Business Class in 2004, saying that after all these years of investigating without finding anything concrete, the authorities should leave him alone now. The day after the broadcast Endstra was shot near his offices in Amsterdam. >Willem Holleeder, nicknamed De Neus because of the size of his nose, is a dutch underworld figure known for his involvement in the kidnapping of Heineken president Freddy Heineken in 1983. >After serving the Heineken sentence, Holleeder emerged as a high-profile criminal leader. Endstra laundered money with him but secretly testified to the police about Holleeder after a fallout in 2003, but was shot dead near his office in 2004. >According to Endstra, Holleeder was involved in 25 murders, including those of hitman Klepper and fellow Heineken-kidnapper Cor van Hout. >American government was directly involved in a hitman-hard drug-extortion-money laundering ring spawning Netherlands and Belgium. And that's just a very specific case i found. Americans are truly the nigger of the world, with a hairy hand and a big nose moving the strings above.

>>1555 Pretty much what >>1556 said but nonetheless It is a rather interesting film tackling the said issues. The film company was later taken under control by the Turkish government just because the US deemed it as a threat to their relationship with their beloved NATO ally -- You can simply pull up the wiki page for "Valley of the Wolves Iraq" literally the only film to portray US war crimes including the Abu-Ghraib prison torture. Billy Zane was blacklisted from Hollywood just for starring in the film and actually defending it. And about the Gladio one, literally portrays the assassination of one of the former Turkish presidents. >>608 Also remove Yilmaz Guney's "Umut" from the list. A literal hack who can't act for shit, never wrote a script in his entire life or directed, he also for shits & giggles literally shot one of his co-stars with a real gun for "realism" just for him to bleed to death in the end. I am advocate of separating the art from the artist but Umut is objectively a bad film, you can see it for yourself as well.

>>1559 >Umut is objectively a bad film, you can see it for yourself as well. Seems plausible. I haven't seen Umut but I was underwhelmed by Yol, another highly-rated film from Güney. The backstory of production from prison while avoiding the authorities is more interesting than the film itself. https://8kun.top/film/res/13094.html#15145

>>1560 Yilmaz Guney is like that, he's more interesting as a character than what he puts out. He's this extremely far-left figure in the country, people really respect and praise him as a "man of the proletariat" despite hanging out exclusively with the bourgeoisie and spending his time in casinos gambling large sums of money away. Think the only reason why Yol even won a Palme D'Or was just some kind of political bullcrap like look at the line-up here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Cannes_Film_Festival Yol over Fitzcarraldo??? come on!

>>1556 Have you seen Shooter? Has quite similar themes

Here's a controversial but extremely influential one, 1982's Blade Runner, directed by Riddle Scott in a seemingly-ignored and damned multi-production effort (U.S., the U.K. and H.K.'s Shaw Brothers Studio), the movie itself hasn't been really forgotten due to its combination of expressive, very well made assets but still all used by a somewhat corporativist spirit driving what would be a fucking mess of a product, soundtrack included. In my opinion the movie does almost everything right at a very high level but has a couple of really egregious mistakes that make it odd to palate, one is the director being a pushover ala Walter Hill (or a retarded conman) which resulted in many versions and interpretations... and second the frankly mediocre acting of the main character portrayed by Harrison Ford, picked after the U.S. investors imposed the jew-favorite actor in a tug of war; to have a forgettable main interpretation in a noir movie is usually a damning thing. But anyways the greek electronica pioneer by the artistic name Vangelis was in charge of scoring the super-budgeted film, being contacted in his London studio by Scott after finding success in the score for the jewish fantasy film Chariots of Fire. While the movie "bombed" (as in it didn't make Star Wars money) it quickly became a "cult" classic due to its high standards in everything (but Ford) yet in my opinion most of this cult status came from the movie being actually hard to get ahold on after its initial release: Prints were being recalled out of butthurt, it didn't screen in non-massive markets or was shown only late-at-nite, TV screenings were rare, word in mouth exacerbated most of its already-cool qualities (to the point of overrating) and most importantly for our subject here, the emblematic soundtrack wasn't released until 12 years later. Much akin to the great Koyaanisqatsi the soundtrack (and SFX too in this case) became as iconic as the moving pictures on the screen yet the big effort made by the athenian wasn't fulfilled in the open market for some reason, and actually to this day the complete OST has not been released... just like Koyaa. Vangelis retells how his scoring method consisted of seeing first-hand tapes from the sets with finished scenes or outtakes, Ridley liked to promote the movie in the middle of production which was odd back then hence why he had tons of tapes, but the greek inspired himself mostly from the "mood" made by the sets and the lighting plays commanded by the cinematographer Cronenweth, not to mention the physical recreations of Syd Mead's drawings. The guy used most of his keyboards around and because the city portrayed was a multiculti hellhole he also had to take hand of different scales and sounds from the world, mostly East Asia and the Middle East. He recorded stuff for almost every scene but as mentioned most of this was never released, so what happened? Bootleg galore, this soundtrack has as much versions as the movie itself, fan-edits included and it's an understatement to say this film was influential for the synth-focused musicians who are already considered a bit more mental about their pursuits. One of those efforts, perhaps the most famous one, is the Esper Edition which had a "final" one around 2007 (this post) when the Final Cut was released along with the second official version of the OST. Basically some skilled dudes used tons of different VHS and DVD versions from various releases and bootlegs, used the official soundtracks and some bootlegs sneaked out by somebody (either an engineer or te same greek) then it was mixed all together to create versions as close as possible to the movie YET they made an interesting decision, instead of leaving them as individual pieces without voice overs they decided to mix them together so it could be an "integral" journey, like a concept album/watching a movie unlike the big record releases. This long fan release edition, dubbed the Retirement Edition, quickly became a sought-after item because they printed it in very few numbers either as a play on how awful it was to get products related to the movie or because they didn't have money/were assholes. The complete set fetches hundreds of dollars and someone around did FLAC rip the first two discs which are the Score itself, the others are pretty cool bonuses but haven't seen them in the open yet.

And there it is, while they work okay-ish in this WEBM format in the movie i think most will agree it adds tons of atmosphere and soothes anyone who is constantly questioning Ford's strange, uninterested acting which cannot be justified saying he was a robot because Scott didn't tell him nor was he smart enough to realize that on the script but talking about that there's also an interesting observation here which contradicts the big studios and the recent jew who penned the latest sequel which sucked: Vangelis wrote the End Titles as a lapidary, almost doomsday theme, playing much more in the mood around the "Director's/Final" Cut ending with the sudden realization of the main character rather than the sweet, idyllic escape ending of the original release which didn't seem to need such a dire theme. Scott contradicts himself every year but Vangelis talks about his music talking in melodies and strident changes, so one could say the original ending really was the one in latter versions. I could also talk about the sequel's soundtrack and the whole saga behind it but maybe later, still i want to say Hans Zimmer is either a hack or a massively burned out atmosphere composer tired of scoring who's just winging it for a decade now, and Villeneuve can suck one too. Yeah, and for those interested in the 320kbps: https://mega.nz/file/mNAEnZZI#ZCrzukMbJC3UT6kn-S7dp2n0vSmHhZuHIFj8msFcags

>>1609 >The complete set fetches hundreds of dollars and someone around did FLAC rip the first two discs which are the Score itself, the others are pretty cool bonuses but haven't seen them in the open yet. Here's the 5 disc Retirement Edition in FLAC. I always liked the third disc of sound design from the film. I haven't listened to disc 4 very much, but the last disc is a mixed bag compilation of electronic music and DJ tracks using sounds from Blade Runner. https://mega.nz/file/uw5AUYrC#uIxnAtLMzfY25uVVwdRnX9iveJwntGqOZVLsFeqqiSE https://www.discogs.com/Various-Blade-Runner-Esper-Retirement-Edition-25th-Anniversary-Culmination/release/2217951

Yuki Kajiura's work for the FSN: Heaven's Feel trilogy was pretty wizard.

>>1609 >>1610 Thanks Anon, all saved. Blade Runner is a cult favorite for me. Neat write-up. >>1611 Thanks!

>Wojak >Cuckchanners in the comments >Just a bunch of edited footage Kill yourself. >I'd bottle it by shitting on the movie. The trick to women is to not give a fuck about them, I have two hot chicks on hold on Tinder and another dating app right now, haven't said a word, not just because it's 2 in the morning, but because I don't give a fuck. If a woman breaks up with you because of your taste in movies instead of going "Wow interesting." she never loved you to begin with.

>>1614 I watch a lot of bad films and enjoy them as stupid fun or guilty pleasure, which has more to do with appreciating the efforts people put in to create them. I think you can understand that when you already make a movie yourself. Also, I choose different types of films depending on moods/situations; a "heavy" profound film with lots of criticizing social commentaries might not be very suitable when you're overwhelmed by real life lol. Maybe you could be more open or just don't take it seriously.

>>1614 OP this film is fucking amazing, it's just about a guy slowly losing himself on the internet. Extremely depressing and honest, I hope you haven't given up, the response seems pretty good, spam it on /tv/

>>1614 Reposting criticism from another board.

I don't think people mind shit talk as long as it's funny. So yea, just make sure you make her laugh if you do.

>>1626 Ryerson Addio

>>1626 I didn't even know about the man until this little spergout by the leaf featherniggers (unsurprisingly, fomented by antifa). But I looked into him briefly, and now pretty much consider him a hero of the West. He refused to educate females past a certain age, since their duty was to the home, not a career. That alone makes him a man worthy of honor.

>>1628 Taking into account he was the guy in charge of educating the canadian injuns i say he did a pretty bad job, they are the most uppity ones in the entire region down to the Darien Gap and that's adding that they don't even have the hypothetical excuse the north american and southwest redskins have that they were relatively peaceful and got their shit slapped, the canadians were the ones who waged war with everyone all the time. His system also evolved later into taking injun kids, often by force, and handing them to newly-arrived immigrants who were in vast majority of european descent, to educate them and pretend they were their own which ended in many of them being psychopaths due to abuse and general dissonance. Also reason many of them have germanic surnames rather than color-animalism-action names (Timmy Yellowfeet, Bobby Redhawk, Johnny Flying Elk). Canadians did them weird, killed them like anglos do then tried to help them but not really and then gave them full rights out of thin air due to the french. Very different from Americans who killed them, secluded them and then started giving them rights little by little... or like Spaniards who killed them, segregated them and then educated those who wanted while further segregating the others and letting the educated red ones do away or force the others as time passed on. Still there's no reason to topple down history, forgetting it only leads to ignorance of societal context and disassociation with your nation (not that canadian nationalism exists anyways)

>>1629 I see. Well, meh. All your color commentary pales into insignificance relative to the absolute devastation that feminist golems have wrought on the Western Tradition. Sounds like the Spaniards had the best ideas related to the featherniggers, though.

>>1630 >All your color commentary pales into insignificance relative to the absolute devastation that feminist golems have wrought on the Western Tradition Agreed but i wouldn't say "pale into insignificance" because the guy practically erased most of the traditions of a good chunk of people, ones who were the closest to the secret of why some "pure-blooded" injuns had old european stock (irish/basque aka pre-indoaryan) in them meaning some earlier migration via either olde viking-tier travelers or something even older. The miscegenation of violent native apaches (who are from Canada, not the US like amerifats want to imply to justify the Indian Wars) with low-tier immigrants made some hellspawn that still roams middle Canada and Quebec with their passive aggressiveness and low-tolerance to alcohol. Also because the mistakes of the past have bigger connotations than today where most things are achieved already, one could banish the Zulu today and nothing would be really lost as most everything we could learn from them has been registered. But yeah, in general sentiment i am more concerned about commie women having rights... period, just extended myself long because Ryerson is the father of Canadian rural alcoholism. >Sounds like the Spaniards had the best ideas And mostly by accident but sure enough, injun peer pressure with their women wanting to adopt more of a comfortable sedentary life with european luxuries was much more effective than the sword of various mercenaries and royal soldiers. If not then we would have an entire mediocre continent dedicated to doing nothing but hunting and fishing, consuming crops of tobacco, coke and weed, where time is measured if it is day or night. Didn't intend to make that sound good but it just happened