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Welcome to /lang/, home of all languages! Student Board owner 09/08/2019 (Sun) 09:48:19 ID: dc127b No.1 [Reply] [Last]
This board is a continuation of various smaller boards from 8ch dedicated to learning new languages, translating documents from one to another and overall just having fun with other anons in the ultimate pursuit of universal knowledge. RULES 1. Global Rules apply here. 2. English is the preferred language outside of threads strictly dedicated to a particular language. 3. Be courteous to other anons, as this is a (mostly) SFW board - if people wish to translate stuff that is kinkier than usual though I'll see what I can do with the site administration. 4. Any material that you have that could be useful to other anons, please, share it! Having videos and resources helps immensely! 5. Our bunker shall be located on 8chan.moe/lang/ but this is to be considered the main board. 6. This thread can be used as a META thread of sorts, so voice all your language related concerns here!
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>>343 hmm. Maybe start with a runic language and see where it goes?
I just learned that Fredrick Brennan loves languages, can speak Filipino and has made posts in Esperanto! Jim, of course, does not speak Filipino.
>>367 >Filipino You mean Tagalog?
>>368 Yes, I think I mean Tagalog. Thanks.
>>368 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipino_language Since he's a foreigner, he probably speaks Filipino, and therefore Tagalog.

Du kannst nicht Deutsch lernen Student 09/17/2019 (Tue) 21:46:40 ID: 14e499 No.30 [Reply] [Last]
Thread dedicated to the German language

German With Ease
>What we need
Sites and resources to help newcomers learn the language

Also, I do apologize for the lack of stuff, I'm trying to make the board more colorful but just bear with me for a while longer.
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Do y'all think it's worth learning and memorizing things like gender trends or plural formation trends, or just to ignore them and rely solely on memorization? I'm sure that if you knew all of them they would probably make remembering the correct gender/plural for vocabulary easier, but is it possible to learn them quickly enough and remember them easily enough that they're actually a net benefit?
>>379 https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Nouns/nouns.html You could memorize them if you put the rules into Anki cards. If possible get a huge Anki deck of gender for nouns and grind them. If the cards have pictures even better so you can get exposure to the words themselves at the same time. It will go very fast since the card only has 3 options for gender. And you will internalize the patterns quickly on your own. For example the gender for cheeses, nuts, weather, etc.
>>373 This page is the best reference for prepositions I've been able to find online; it is pretty comprehensive, both in terms of prepositions and their uses, and is more detailed than a lot of other comprehensive preposition references I found. https://deutsch.lingolia.com/en/grammar/prepositions/types
>>122 when you mean directly on the browser do you mean I should use the console to inject a javascript command?
Does anyone know anything about the "/i̯/" sound? Wiktionary consistently distinguishes it from /j/, and German Wiktionary even goes so far as to imply that they are contrasting phonemes by separating rhyming pages based on this difference exclusively (e.g. https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reim:Deutsch:-ali%CC%AF%C9%99n vs https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reim:Deutsch:-alj%C9%99n ), but I can't seem to find any information on it. My first thought was to assume it was an unstressed allophone of short /i/ before another unstressed vowel, similar to but more restricted than Spanish weak vowels, but I realized that a heterosyllabic /i/ can also occur in that position (in the multi-compound word "Biologieleher", primary stress is on the syllable "gie" and secondary stress is on the syllable "leh", but the "i" in "Bio" is still pronounced as a separate syllable from the "o"). This would mean that, in principal, there is at least a three-way contrast between /i./ /i̯/ and /j/ in the same environment. I think it might also be possible to have /iː./ in this position and /i̯/ before stressed vowels, but if there are any examples of this they are very marginal and I haven't found them. What really confuses me about this, though, is how little information on [i̯] I can find, whether as a distinct phoneme or as an allophone. The editors of German Wiktionary seem to be able to clearly distinguish it, which leads me to think that it is at the very least phonetically real, but I can't find any other sources that reference it outside of Wiktionary and Wikipedia's German IPA help pages, even Wikipedia's own main page on German Phonology doesn't mention it anywhere, despite the fact that the help page does.

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Tú no puedes aprender el español Student 07/16/2020 (Thu) 05:30:14 ID: 3dc1e8 No.266 [Reply] [Last]
This thread is dedicated to learning the Spanish Language >Resources A lot of these are placeholders until we get some better suited purpose; please suggest any other resources you use or know about. >Flash cards https://apps.ankiweb.net/ - if you don't already have it, download anki for your flashcards. You can search through user generated, premade decks here https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/spanish, but you can also create your own as you go along a different program >Dictionaries https://www.spanishdict.com/ - a multi-use tool for Spanish. Includes a fairly sized dictionary with pronunciation, a conjugation tool for verbs, and grammar lessons with quizes. It also has forums hidden away at https://www.spanishdict.com/answers https://www.wordreference.com/es/translation.asp - another dictionary that is slightly more expansive. It also has a conjugation tool and forums as well. It has more pronunciation and conjugation information for dialects outside of Castilian and than Spanishdict. https://www.wiktionary.org/ - an open source multilingual dictionary. In theory this is a resource for any language, but it is particularly good for learning Spanish. It has a lot of Spanish words, including obscure ones, and offers more information on dialectical differences in vocabulary than anywhere else. It also has a conjugation tool for verbs, and organizes them into conjugation classes well. >Learning resources https://studyspanish.com/ - Has a payed program, but offers almost everything besides some practice exercises for free on the website. It has a series of pronunciation lessons, grammar lessons, and vocabulary sets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_phonology & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_orthography pages containing detailed but technical descriptions of spanish pronunciation and writing. Not targeted to learners in the slightest, but very informative if you can undestand them. >What we need <More additional comprehensive learning resources, such as textbooks <Reading and listening material

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Are there names for the stems in Spanish like there are in Latin? For example, the normal names in Latin are the Present Stem, Perfect Stem, and Supine Stem. I figure that there very well might not be, because the stems are only distinct when the verb is in some way irregular, and they definitely aren't commonly used in teaching, but I wondered if there were technical terms used for them in academia or something.
Besides the fact that in section 2, it doesn't differentiate between adjectives and determiners, this is a really good source for explaining the placement of adjectives (i.e. before/after the noun): https://community.dur.ac.uk/m.p.thompson/adjectives.htm
Why would anyone want to learn filthy beaner goblinspeak? Disgusting ugly language spoken disgusting subhuman filth. pinche puta la madre y muerete goblinos
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>>385 >Mexico is the only Spanish speaking country Congratulations, Anon, you're as stupid as the average Tumblr SJW, just with the opposite politics.
I want to add to my adjective cards in my Anki deck to show when an adjective has different meanings before vs after a noun and when it has different meanings with ser vs. estar. Does anyone here have this in their decks? What would be a good format for including that information?

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文字通り誰も日本語を学べない Student 09/18/2019 (Wed) 20:11:39 ID: 8018bf No.33 [Reply] [Last]
Thread dedicated to the Japanese language

Empty at the moment, will be updated
>What we need
Sites and resources to help newcomers learn the language

Also, I do apologize for the lack of stuff, I'm trying to make the board more colorful but just bear with me for a while longer.
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>>262 >>の is a fully fledged attributive form of the copula, same as な, not just a genitive particle (these are two different のs, one a particle and one a verb). Can you elaborate on that one? And the funny thing is Japs call na adjectives "adjectival verbs" 形容動詞and refuse to recognize them as anything but 動詞 because な = 動詞.
>>384 >Can you elaborate on that one? I guess, but I don't know what more there is to say. Really, uses of know can be divided into three main categories: genitive particle, form of the copula, and verb nominalizer, but the third one isn't easily confused like the other two are because it's used in different environments. The other two are more confusing because they both occur between two nouns or nominals, and have similar functions in that they both cause the first noun to modify the other in some way. However, they are distinct in exactly the meanings they convey and the syntax they allow. The genitive particle is used when the first noun is used to express an attribute of the noun or a possessor of it. In English, this corresponds to the constructions [noun] + [noun] (attributive noun), [noun]'s [noun] (possessive construction), or [noun] of [noun]). As a case particle, the genitive particle, like other noun particles, is attached only to the head noun of a single noun phrase, i.e. the syntax is always [[NPの]NP], one NP marked by の that is an adjunct to a parent NP. On the other hand, there is the の that is an attributive form of the copula (だ). To start, it must be acknowledged that な already exists and is usually acknowledged as "the" attributive form of the copula. In fact, の and な are allomorphs, i.e. they serve the same function and are in complementary distribution. The rules for when to use them are: >before the nominalizer の, and any of it's phonetic reductions, only な is used for all cases. This is most often seen in the のだ construction, where both nouns and な-adjectives (and also の-adjectives) use the form な. >otherwise, な is only used for the attributive form of な-adjectives >in all cases besides before the の nominalizer, nouns (and の-adjectives) use the form の as the attributive form of the copula. This can be made clear by both the syntax and the meaning of certain clauses that end with の. For example, I took the following sentence and translation from ejje.weblio: >私が子供の時、母がその本をくれた。 <When I was a child, my mother gave me that book First of all, look at the syntax. 私が appears to be a subject within the 時 clause. We may try to say that this is actually the subject of the overall sentence being forwarded to before the 時 clause, but the subject of くれた is 母が, therefore it is unambiguous that the clause 私が子供の時 has a subject and that subject is 私が. However, the presence of a subject requires the presence of a verb(al predicate). We could say that the subject is an omitted だ, but then it makes no sense for a の to come between (an omitted) だ, which is a verb, and a noun like 時, so の must be the verb itself. This is supported by the meaning of the sentence. The translation is "When I was a child", or more literally "(at) the time that I was a child", which contains "I" as the subject of "was" (a copula) within a relative clause (which are the most direct equivalent to Japanese attributive clauses).
never forget about https://animelon.com/ as well

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Student 05/06/2020 (Wed) 20:21:48 ID: 77fa21 No.197 [Reply] [Last]
Hey linguistic brothers, We're announcing a revamped Infinity Cup this year! Come join us over at https://anon.cafe/icup/ and make your own team!
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>>360 Our new strategy is the opposite of the old one. We did win one game narrowly, but honestly it wasn't good enough.
I don't like this ooga booga player. Just doesn't really fit in, it's more of a /pol/ character.
>>382 I like him to be honest. Wouldn't know how else to include an African language, and besides, it's hardly offensive compared to proper /pol/ stuff.
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>>382 >>386 You both are ignoring its origin. While it's /pol/ related, it's meant to be a reference to this. >>361 I think we need to rectify that post before SKF fucks up our formation. Also should Loomis have a special position or should we remove that role? I don't think it helped him any.
>>387 huh, what's this about Loomis?

Student 09/04/2020 (Fri) 00:27:27 ID: ba9f3d No.354 [Reply] [Last]
Hey /lang/ could you help me out? Should I learn Romanian or Hungarian? I am ethnically half of each, both languages are just equally as important learn to because I can't understand any of family members on my Mom's or Dad's very well. I am sort of leaning on Romanian because I tried to learn Hungarian and stopped midway the book(teach yourself® Hungarian) 5 years ago and I have some Spanish under my belt. I can't remember how to pronounce any of the letters of alphabet, let alone how to say hello. I think the reasons why I quit is because I too fast in the chapters, my parents were teaching me at the time and they went over it way to fast me to remember how pronounce anything correct nor remember it's grammar.
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>>354 Try and make it a learning experience with them. Share some laughs, let them teach you a word or two and in the meantime you learn your own thing. If you do it all alone with no help, you're not getting very far, my friend.
>>358 I am 25 now
>>370 Well, if you were 19/20 the first time and 25 now, the book itself won't be any better or worse than it was before. I found a pdf of (the 2003 version of) Teach Yourself Hungarian, and it looks to be relatively similar in structure/method to Genki, that is to say, it offers a good set of vocabulary and a good order for grammar topics with plenty of practice, but the grammar lessons themselves seem to be very rough approximations of the technical grammar, designed for the reader to be able to make consistent progress while being close enough to correct as to be competent without having to use additional resources. As with Genki, if you use this book you would have the choice of either taking the lessons at their word, accepting the fact that you will develop some bad habits that you will have to unlearn either through practice or when you progress to higher-level books, or using the lessons for their order and as a starting point and filling in the gaps with other sources (this will probably be harder with Hungarian than it is with Japanese due to the amount of material out there). Again, I would recommend that you at least start with Romanian instead, and maybe pick up Hungarian after you've hit your stride and understand how to teach yourself better. Especially knowing some Spanish, since Romanian seems to mostly be more conservative than other Romance languages, you will have a good starting point for most of the concepts involved in a Romance language already without it being similar enough to Spanish to cause any confusion. Hungarian seems to be a very difficult language, so I'd say wait to learn it until your a more efficient autodidact. I do think you should eventually try to learn both if you want to. Whichever way you end up going, I would recommend that you do the studying itself independently and leave your family for practice and clearing up questions that you can't find answers to elsewhere. Native speakers are useful for those things, but they won't make much better teachers than anyone else with the same level of training. Having people to talk to in the language is really good for your listening comprehension and speech production, and they're good at clearing up questions like "is this form acceptable" or "which way of phrasing this is more natural", but not as much at answering questions like "why do you use this here" or "when do you use this"; that kind of overt knowledge isn't something you get/are able to express when you learn a language "naturally".
Why not teach your families English instead?

Linguistics books thread Student 08/25/2020 (Tue) 11:08:27 ID: 998b36 No.328 [Reply] [Last]
Place to discuss books dedicated to the science and art behind linguistics. Books to get started: >The Language Instinct (Pinker) >Symbolic Species (Deacon) >Lost Languages (Robinson) >An Introduction To Language (Fromkin, Rodman, Hyams) Feel free to ask for recommendations or leave suggestions.
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>>340 >Being a one-language pony Badetic
>speaking Japanese makes you a weeb I bet you're more of a weeb than I am.
>>338 I own that book, seconding your recommendation
>>340 kek. where do you think you are, newfriend?
Any good ones for German by chance?

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Anki Thread Student 07/17/2020 (Fri) 08:24:58 ID: 67adca No.271 [Reply] [Last]
This thread is dedicated to the use and discussion of Anki for learning languages. >He doesn't study vocabulary using Anki What's the matter anon? afraid of making progress? >What is Anki The best digital flashcard program; both the most effective for memorization and the most powerful/customizable. It's also free, open source, and multiplatform, with versions available on Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, iOS, and online, with optional synchronization between multiple platforms. >How to get started Download Anki here: https://apps.ankiweb.net/ You can read Anki's documentation here: https://docs.ankiweb.net/#/ You can search for decks shared by other users by clicking the "Get Shared" button in Anki, or by going here: https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/ You can further customize your experience by looking through user-generated add-ons here: https://ankiweb.net/shared/addons/2.1 >Examples of things to do ITT >Ask questions about using Anki, styling cards, adjusting settings, etc. >Post or request decks from other anons >Talk about how you use Anki and what you use it for
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How to edit the css of typed answers For the longest time I could only get these to partially work, and I didn't get much help online, but I just figured it out, so I'm posting it here. >Edit the typing field itself you have to use the style #typeans{} (not code#typeans{}, which changes the answer checking. Every line of the style has to be marked !important, or the changes on that line will not show up (the note editor will show the changes, but they will not show up when you return to the actual cards). Example: [code] #typeans{ font-family: "Yu Mincho Gothic" !important; font-size: 25px !important; } [/code] >changing the checked answers To change (all parts of) the checked answer, use the style code#typeans{}. If you have also changed the #typeans{} style already, every change you make in code#typeans{} that conflicts with #typeans{} must be marked !important, or it will be overridden. Example (for using both) [code] #typeans{ font-family: "Yu Mincho Gothic" !important;

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>>277 You can automate both audio and video by scraping the data. It still requires active recall, you just quiz yourself on the note in multiple directions. Given the image, what is the word in your language. Given the audio, how do you spell it. Given the word, what does it mean? (image on back). Then it's just yes/no and you can rip through thousands of words at lightning speed. This is power user stuff, but even if you can't code you can often find shared decks that already come with images and audio you're golden as long as you set up the cards properly. It works really well with verbs and concrete nouns, less well but still OK with adjectives, and not so well with adverbs. But you can pull example sentences to go with those too to give you a bit of mnemonic information. Don't get my wrong typing words can give you some real benefit, it's just not the most efficient way if you are talking about memorizing 10 thousand+ words, especially if you're doing multiple languages. My opinion of course. PDF unrelated.
>>271 best anki deck for katakana?
>>364 I don't think kana are numerous or complicated enough for individual decks to make much of a difference. Really, the only thing that would matter is the ammount of information. You'd probably be fine with a plain deck that just shows the kana on one side and a romanization on the other, but if you can find ones that show stroke order, have audio, show multiple romanizations, &c., they would be better. I didn't use Anki for kana, so I can't personally attest to any particular deck, but here's one that might work. https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1632090287 Ask in JLTs on other boards for more suggestions if that one doesn't work; most of them will have one somewhere in their resources listed in the OP.

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Funetik Acksents Student 08/25/2020 (Tue) 21:46:36 ID: 124f56 No.330 [Reply] [Last]
Which dialect or accent or slang is your favorite, anons? And why is it subjectively New York American?
>>330 I like Creole accents, they kind of remind me of Monkey Island games. Jamaican is probably one of my favorites.

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Вы не можете выучить русский язык Student 09/15/2019 (Sun) 21:54:28 Id:285982 No. 21 [Reply]
Thread dedicated to the Russian language

Russian With Ease
>What we need
Sites and resources to help newcomers learn the language
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