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Vidya General Anonymous 09/07/2019 (Sat) 01:44:38 No.6
>ITT: Vidya of the 90's and 2000's Keep it limited to the scope of this board, so basically Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Generation consoles only for now. For those who don't know what consoles are part of which generation, here's a quick rundown of the time frame we're talking about... >Fourth Generation: SNES, Sega Genesis/Sega CD >Fifth Generation: PS1, N64, Sega Saturn >Sixth Generation: Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, OG Xbox Discussion of games from the Seventh Generation consoles (PS3/Wii/Xbox 360) is allowed as well, but I'd like the thread to mainly focus on the 4th-6th console genererations since the 7th Gen era carried over into the 2010's and a lot of the games from that era onward obviously have far more in common with modern gaming than stuff from the 16-bit consoles or the PS1 and PS2 eras. You can also discuss PC games and handhelds from 1990-2009 in this thread too, as well as arcade games from that time. Any old-school gaming topic is fair game, whether it be the games themselves or old video gaming magazines, even wild rumors from that kid on the playground whose uncle worked at Nintendo...
I'm not really of fan of GOG since they dropped XP support and is now making some games made for XP, incompatible on XP (using an old XP machine for old PC games). Some are fixable by removing a couple files they added, but others like Fear have more substantial edits that break them (saving in this case). Finding non-GOG versions are harder now ever since isozone died and abandonware sites remove their downloads whenever a GOG release comes out.
>>11 Agreed. Physical formats are much more preferable to digital in my book, although for certain games like arcade exclusives, I can understand having to resort to emulation or going to GOG if a game is very rare in its original format. Also, Chun-Li was one of those things that helped me realize I'm an ass man... Missing files >>1577
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There's a retro vidya thread on /v/
>>20 True, but that one does not cover the Sixth Generation consoles, while this one does.
There's a 6th gen thread as well >>>/v/823

I think it's a better idea to keep all vidya discussion on vidya board instead of dividing the already small audience even further.
>>22 Ah, my bad. I don't usually hang around /v/ so I honestly didn't know about those threads.
I don't have much of an interest in fifth-gen console games (the NES being my favorite), but PC games really peaked in the '90s and early 2000s. It was a golden age for strategy games especially. Missing files >>1578
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I will probably never get tired of playing Tekken 3 and Rayman 1. Also there were many great RPGs for the PS1, like Suikoden 2 and all the Final Fantasies. But then again, when it comes to RPGs nothing beats the SNES. Missing file >>1579
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>>96 >>121 Anons, come and support our >>>/v/, there's a variety of retro threads. Missing file >>1580
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To liven this place up a bit, I'm gonna be sharing some lesser known vidya that I've played with a short description and review. Today's pick is... Sheep Raider (2001) also known as Sheep, Dog N Wolf. You may remember it as the third Looney Tunes game made by Infogrames on the original Playstation, alongside Bugs Bunny: Lost in Time (1999) and Bugs Bunny & Taz: Time Busters (2000). All of them are 3D platformers, however SR incorporates stealth and puzzle elements. In the game you control Ralph Wolf who suspiciously resembles Wile E. Coyote but is actually a separate character from the original Merrie Melodies and try to steal Sam Sheepdog's flock, one sheep at a time. All the while you're being involuntarily filmed by Daffy Duck who made you the star of his show about sheep stealing. Other Looney Tunes characters are featured in the game including Road Runner, but it's not on the menu and they either help you, or get in your way, or both. You use an assortment of ACME gadgets to help you steal sheep, or just traverse the environment, in both cases it's an extremely wacky and fun experience. The game is fairly challenging, allowing you to make mistakes without losing much progress, except for level 10 which was overly difficult because (actual spoiler!) it has the only boss fight in the entire game, and defeating said boss requires three successive steps, and if you fail at any step you restart the whole fight. Also worth mentioning is the last level which (spoiler!) was a wild goose chase, quite literally. The game was very creative with the puzzles, and kept surprising me with each level. Character control is smooth, and the graphics are gorgeous despite the 3D models being a bit low-poly, not that I'm complaining. If you're gonna play this then play the PC version with a joystick/gamepad; it has toon shading on the characters which the Playstation version lacks, along with various graphical enhancements (better detail, higher resolution, 60 FPS...etc) besides no "wobbliness" which plagues all Playstation games. The only downside is that the screen looks a bit dark, but nothing to worry about. GET: archive.org/details/looneytunessheepraider_201908 Missing files >>1581
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Reminder that sound technology has regressed massively in vidya since the 2000s. https://invidio.us/watch?v=7Yc2pODiZgU
>>471 The only thing that has improved is le ebin graphixx. The rest is worse under literally every aspect. Modern vidya is garbage. There's a reason why retrogaming is now bigger than ever. Missing file >>1582
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>>472 >There's a reason why retrogaming is now bigger than ever. I'm certainly glad for that. With flash carts, new controllers, accurate emulation, and better distribution for both PC releases and ROMs, there's never been a better time to start get into old games since they started being considered old hat. I'm looking forward to building a MiSTer at some point and maybe even retiring my old consoles.
>>469 Thanks anon, I remember having the demos of Lost in Time and Sheep Dog N Wolf as a kid and enjoying them, but never had the full games. Missing file >>1583
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>>474 Played the fuck out of Lost in Time back in the day. Pretty decent SM64 clone. I miss good obscure licensed games like that.
>>472 >The only thing that has improved is le ebin graphixx. I would say graphics have gotten worse actually, since the late 2000s with the whole "let's make everything brown, dim the lights, and overpopulate the screen with details" shtick. These games look like utter crap, not only are they not appealing aesthetics-wise, they're also painful to look at, oftentimes to the point of being unplayable. My take is that 3D graphics had a brief golden age between the late 90s to the mid 2000s; models had an adequate amount of detail, were properly colored to stick out without being an eye sore, and most of all had fluid animation. A game like Silent Hill 3 (2003) was a prime example of having realistic, but not uncanny valley, facial and body animations. I even consider it to be the game that perfected facial animations. >>473 Playing old console games is a piece of cake thanks to emulation, but old PC games are a pain in the ass to run because modern Windows versions (7, 8, and especially 10) are a compatibility nightmare... Not counting 2D games from the DOS / Windows 3.1 era, because those can easily run on Dosbox or a virtual machine. The problem lies with 3D games from beyond that time; they can't run on modern Windows, they can't run on Dosbox, and they can't run in VMs properly due to poor 3D acceleration. There's always dual booting but on current hardware that's impossible.
>>494 >The problem lies with 3D games from beyond that time; they can't run on modern Windows, they can't run on Dosbox, and they can't run in VMs properly due to poor 3D acceleration There's an emulator called PCem that can do everything from the original IBM PC all the way up to early Pentium machines, and it emulates Voodoo graphics as well. I've only used it a little, but I've successfully installed Windows 98 SE and run Tomb Raider 1, Dark Earth, and a couple of shitty abandonware games on it. It's significantly more demanding on the host system's CPU than DOSBox and VMs due to the fact it's emulating everything in software, but it runs at full speed on both my overclocked i5 4670K machine and my stock speed Ryzen 3700X machine. You can find all the required ROM files here: https://github.com/BaRRaKudaRain/PCem-ROMs Alternatively, assuming you can at least install the game on modern machines, there's dgVoodoo2, which is a graphics wrapper for anything using Glide or DirectX 1-9 APIs. You just drop the DLL files it comes with into the folder containing the games' executable, and then run the game. It comes with a control panel utility as well, so you can make various adjustments and enhancements such as 4:3 upscaling, rendering at higher resolutions, anti-aliasing, anisotropic filtering, and phong shading. I recommend using it on pretty much every PC game from the late 90s to the early 2000s, even for games that seem to run fine without it, because it can solve all kinds of graphical glitches that you may not even be aware of. Missing file >>1584
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>>494 >Playing old console games is a piece of cake thanks to emulation, but old PC games are a pain in the ass to run because modern Windows versions (7, 8, and especially 10) are a compatibility nightmare... Not counting 2D games from the DOS / Windows 3.1 era, because those can easily run on Dosbox or a virtual machine. The problem lies with 3D games from beyond that time; they can't run on modern Windows, they can't run on Dosbox, and they can't run in VMs properly due to poor 3D acceleration. There's always dual booting but on current hardware that's impossible. I guess I'm pretty lucky in that's not a problem for most of my favorite games. Granted I just installed Windows 10 not too long ago, but on Windows 7 most of the games I played either had modern remakes, fixes, or GOG/Steam ports that worked just fine. I have noticed a decent amount reviews mentioning that certain games on those services haven't even had any adjustments made to run on modern computers, which is completely ridiculous. Putting a game up to buy on there is a scummy thing to do if it's not even going to be compatible with the hardware most of your customers are going to be running it on.
Got another game to share with you anons, today's pick is... Ed, Edd n Eddy: The Mis-Edventures (2005). If the show wasn't enough of a fever dream for you, then boy are you in for a treat! Albeit being a bit short, this collaborative 3D platformer / puzzle game is super comfy, and a liiiiiittle too surreal. The game is divided into levels that are akin to episodes, where the Eds run scams and/or hunt jawbreakers. Although the levels are independent of each other story-wise, they have to be unlocked in a certain order. You can access unlocked levels through the "cul-de-sac", which is the neighborhood where all the characters live and basically the "central hub" of the game... You play as all three Eds but can only control one at a time by switching between them. Every Ed controls a bit differently, but the main uniqueness is the "ability" that each one has; allowing him to solve specific puzzles, reach certain objects, traverse special areas...etc. Saying anything more about the game will most probably spoil it so I'm gonna stop here. Just give it a try and you won't be disappointed, it's not that long. As is the case with Sheep Raider, this game is best played with a controller, because several areas require movement at precise angles. I originally got this game from IGG but the link seems to have died, so I'm gonna link the CD version on the Internet Archive. Mind you that I haven't tested this copy but it should work just fine. GET: archive.org/details/ededdneddythemisedventuresdisc1usa archive.org/details/ededdneddythemisedventuresdisc2usa >>474 >>476 Glad you guys liked the game! Missing files >>1585
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who /combatevolved/ here?
Tron 2.0 (2003) Missing files >>1586
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In this game you can find the e-mail your father sent to his coworkers when you were born. Missing files >>1588
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>>579 Looks fantastic. Love the Tron aesthetic, even if it's a little overused these days.
>>587 What late 10s people call "Tron aesthetic" and related themes is quite different from this game's, and to some extent even from the original movie's. It is, however, similar to the Tron Legacy (2010) movie, black everywhere, when color appears it's flashing and the color palette isn't too wide. Tron 2.0 isn't late 10s neon obsession, it's /retro/. It has an optimistic feeling, all colors are present and they show up bold and solid with color-coding used extensively. Not every color has to be neon. Another unique thing is that the backgrounds are beautiful and animated, and many maps are floating with them also having a lot going on in the bottom. The soundtrack is also completely different from what Daft Punk composed for 2010 and even there the difference in cheerfulness is notable. Missing files >>1591
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What have you guys been busy with lately? I've been playing Operation Flashpoint.
>>840 Heavy Barrel for the NES. Fun game but i just can't defeat the final boss.
>>841 I actually own that one, but my copy disappeared somewhere. I don't think I ever got all that far into it.
I got a MiSTer not too long ago and have been working on it lately. So far, I've got NES, Genesis, Game Boy, SNES, Master System, Colecovision, Turbografx-16, and Vectrex games working. I'm having problems with getting Atari 2600 games working, which I looked forward to playing. I can't get the wi-fi to work either. Regardless of the issues I've had, this seems like it's going to be a great option in the long term if you're autistic over accuracy and don't want a bunch of different game systems and accessories taking up space.
>>840 Operation Flashpoint is quite awesome. I have the GOTY cardboard box edition on my shelf. I've played a bit of Lost Vikings on Dosbox. It's ok, but like a lot of dos games, it doesn't have enough depth to keep me interested for long.
>>876 >Operation Flashpoint is quite awesome. I have the GOTY cardboard box edition on my shelf. At first glance it may seem pretty goofy due to how dated it looks, but it's surprisingly detailed. I love the way paratroopers land and local patrols start to come looking for you on the mission where the Russians are going to shoot the captured resistance fighters if you stick around your property long enough. >I've played a bit of Lost Vikings on Dosbox. It's ok, but like a lot of dos games, it doesn't have enough depth to keep me interested for long. I love DOS games, but I'm more into strategy games and the old-school FPS games as far as those are concerned. Princess Maker 2 was the last one I gave a shot, and I surprisingly enjoyed that one. The music is fantastic, and the artwork is surprisingly nice too. I do remember finding The Lost Vikings curious when I was younger and checking out the Super Nintendo version in that it was a Blizzard game from the pre-WarCraft days. But as far as puzzle games go, I much prefer the tile-matching kind to action platformers.
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>>872 As an update on the MiSTer, I got my wi-fi working, along with several other cores (like the Atari 2600 and unofficial Intellivision core). It turns out that after adding your information for the wi-fi connection, an underscore is added to the name of the text file and so it's unrecognizable to the system unless you remove it. Next up I'd like to try getting DOS games working. The process seems like a laborious pain in the neck from the little I've looked at it though. I've been having fun playing Atari 2600 and arcade games in particular. Too bad I don't have paddle controllers. It's nice knowing that since this project is open source, it should only be increasing in accuracy and adding more features with time. The lack of save states are the biggest gripe for me right now. Once they start to add them to cores, it'll probably be my go-to choice for playing console games. Custom case options would be nice too.
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I have no interest in modern games, mostly I just play games from the 2000s and early 2010s. I've never owned a Sony console before but i bought a PS2 a few weeks ago, I might buy a PS1 too cause I found a cheap one.
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>>877 >action platformers I just realized I meant "puzzle platformers" but never caught this until now. >>1029 The latest commercially released game that isn't just a re-release that I still play was released back in 2012. But the last generation of consoles that I have any interest whatsoever in was the sixth gen. For me the third and fourth generations are the sweet spot for console games, with PC games starting to really get good in the early '90s and declining in the 2000s. I never had a PS2 back in the day, but I played through Vice City a few years ago and enjoyed it. I remember how popular it was when it came out but never had a chance to play I was older. In some ways I feel like I missed out being a GameCube kid, but in other ways I don't regret it at all.
>>1029 Get a ps2 and mod the memory card, it's pretty easy or use PCSX2 because homebrew kind of sucks on PS2 although you can use the network adapter to play games over SMB. Play Armored Core 3
>>1029 This. I got Battlefront 2 on Epic, played it for a week and it was so mediocre/generic that I dumped it shortly after. Then I somehow got myself playing Persona 3 and SSX Tricky. Those were my last 5 months. Fun. And with OPL and a HDD, it's a joy to use, you basically switch the thing on and jump right into the game.
>>1075 I thought I lost all interest in games in the mid 2010s until two years ago when I realized I didn't stop liking games, modern games are just fucking terrible.
>>1079 Even the games that sound like they could be interesting in theory I tend to lose interest in when I see what they're actually like. The most exciting ones for me these days are just new reimplementations of older games.
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What are some games with Y2K aesthetics? The only ones that come to my mind are Rez, Crazy Taxi and Jet Set Radio (and Future).
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>>1145 Space Channel 5 comes to mind for me, although I've never actually played it.
>>1145 >>1149 Sega was the king of Y2K >>1165 Absolutely
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I originally posted these to /britfeel/, but here's some photos I took yesterday of all my old gaming mags. The majority are from 2004-2005, but there's a few earlier and later ones too. I laid them out in chronological order as best as I could, some don't say what month they were published so I just had to guess based on the games they were showing off. I've also still got all the demo discs and cheat books they came with.
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Someone also asked for the feature on San Andreas from the July 2004 issue of OPSM2, so here's that as well (apologies for the shite quality, it's the best I could do). I believe this was the first proper preview of the game anywhere in the world, I vaguely remember the GTA sites back in the day talking about it and begging people from the UK to send them the details. 1/2
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2/2, plus a couple of extras because why not.
>>1713 >>1714 >>1715 Good shit. I've been reading nothing but old gaming magazines for months, I'm at late 2004 now, tons of fucking great games in every issue that I'd still want to play, but I can't think of more than 5 games from the past generation that I would even try out. It's unbelievable how fucking terrible gaming is now.
>>1713 >>1714 >>1715 I used to get GameNow and then GamePro and Tips & Tricks. GameNow I have the most nostalgia for, seeing as how it was the first magazine of its kind I read. It introduced me to Vice City back when there was no way I had any chance of trying it. As far as GamePro goes, I remember the hype around Doom 3 and the issue that popularized the Polybius myth. I never liked most of Tips & Tricks all that much due to the emphasis of the magazine being on playthrough guides. I think I would have loved old issues of Nintendo Power if I'd have had access to them as a kid. >>1716 >It's unbelievable how fucking terrible gaming is now. There are like no commercially released games coming out now that I have any interest in. Only open-source projects really have my attention nowadays. I wish the industry would just collapse and the normalfags and bottom feeders would just abandon the hobby.
>>1718 >GameNow Oh man, do you still have those? I have an unreleased game they reviewed in the August 2003 issue and later listed secret items and locations in the October 2003 issue but there aren't any scanned pdfs online.
>>1719 No, and I only had a subscription for a short window of time (although it might've coincided with the issue you're talking about) and don't know what happened to the issues I had. It sucks if there are aren't scans out there. I was hoping that someday I'd be able to track down the old issues I had.
>>1250 SSX Tricky is one of my favorite vidya, I just wish there was a real modding community around it for custom tracks and whatnot, all I could find was an HD texture pack for the Gamecube version
>>1740 >>1744 >review anon on /retro/ Nice
>>1747 Herro anon, have we met?
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>>1744 >that perspective in that bottom-right screenshot
>>1752 pure SOUL
>>1756 Hold on a second, is the top center screenshot the inspiration for the intro scene in Sam and Max Hit the Road?
>>1762 What's it like?
>>1809 I just found the cartridge of this game yesterday, which is weird because I don't remember owning it or ever playing it as a kid.
>>1830 Is it in good condition? Maybe you can sell it for some buck.
>>1809 I was never really into beating games as a kid, but it says something about the difficulty that I could beat it without much trouble. I didn't actually own it either. I don't know why the Capcom version is so overlooked compared to the Virgin one.
>>1838 >I don't know why the Capcom version is so overlooked compared to the Virgin one. That's easy. For one thing Yidsney pushed it hard since they co-produced this version and put a lot of effort into it. Also you can use a sword in the Virgin one which was considered way more rad, even though the execution is fucking awful. In contrast, in the SNES version you jump on enemies or throw apples at them which is way more "Mario-like" and as we know Sega does what Nintendon't.
>>1841 But people seem to act like the Genesis one clearly dumps all over the Super Nintendo version even when they've played both, decades later after Disney's marketing.
>>1831 Nah fuck that, I always keep my stuff.
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I would like to invite those reading this post to enter into the high score board on fatchan's /vr/. All you need to provide is proof and you will enter onto the board, unless of course you don't have the high score. This is an attempt to create a comprehensive record of the best scores across the webring, to be the yardstick by which you may say "fuck you faggot you can't even play that game idiot trash kill yourself". I do not wish to divide any community with this invitation. Please know that if you are entered onto the highscore board then you will be objectively the best player of that game across the entire webring and everyone else can fuck themselves.
I missed out on the entire 5th gen (went from NES to PC, then back to consoles during the 6th gen) but I used to believe it was a really shit generation overall with the N64 being the only console with some good games - until recently when I decided to use my PS2's backwards compatibility to try out some PS1 games, and holy fuck I've discovered so many cool games, and I really love the low poly aesthetics they have, they look much better than the N64 games imo.
>>1982 >I really love the low poly aesthetics they have, they look much better than the N64 games imo. I thought PlayStation games looked like garbage at the time, but in retrospect the Nintendo 64 look didn't age well at all in comparison. It's still not a generation I'm enamored with. Other than the multiplayer games, I preferred both PC games and the prior generations of consoles as a kid.
>>1982 I had a similar path, NES to PC, but never came back. Although, many of my friends had systems, so I did get to play with them. The 5th gen systems were significant, in the change from mostly 2D to 3D graphics. The original Resident Evil games for PS1 were awesome.
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I wish the Neo Geo Pocket Color was succesful, it was so much better than the GBC, I fucking love that clicky joystick. I can't stand Nintendo games and their cult like fanbase, why does the bad guy always have to win?
>>2014 I love Nintendo's earlier systems, but I don't understand why people are still throwing them money. The handhelds don't really interest me in comparison to their home consoles either, although there were definitely some great games for them.
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Sometimes I play Tetris on this Gameboy. I'm surprised this thing still works given how old it is.
>>2043 I just realized that I don't have a single of my childhood handhelds anymore. My Game Boy Advance SP was my favorite, since not only did it have the backwards of compatibility of the original Advance but also had screen lighting and came with a charger. I liked the fact that it flipped shut too. Too bad it had no headphone jack.
>>2055 The Ds lite could play all GBA games and had a headphone jack. There's no reason to even care about the gameboy console line besides the ability to play gameboy color games on the advance.
>>2056 I wanted to play games like Link's Awakening, Trax, and Super Mario Land 2. I never really got into the DS that much other than a handful of games, and I much preferred the single-screen form factor of the SP. I was more into the PSP than the DS due to homebrew scene it had.
>>2058 I still don't get the homebrew scene at all. There has not been a single memorable homebrew game ever made and they've all been proof of concept at best. Never seen any system improvements either beyond emulators for games I already owned. Its sad that most people don't know about how much better the Super mario 64 remake on the DS was. It had yoshi, luigi, wario, and mario as playable characters and all the cut content and bonus levels reinstated with some minigames and a barebones multiplayer. So there was never any reason for that "L is real" autism to exist past its release where they confirmed Luigi was supposed to be in the game all along and yoshi had a more prominent role than being an Easter egg.
>>2059 >Never seen any system improvements either beyond emulators for games I already owned. The emulators were what I was really into. A lot of my favorite Game Boy Advance games were just rereleases of older games, and being able to play ROMs basically rendered buying those games obsolete.

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